Unfortunately, I had an accident with my Pixel that forced me to use my work iPhone. This is an iPhone 12 Pro Max so top of the heap in the iPhone world. These are some thoughts I have while using it. I have been using it for about three months now regularly as my daily driver. I will toss out the first month as my angst with the phone gave me a negative view on everything about it.
First up look and feel
I love a big phone but the 12 pro max is just way too much. The design makes it completely aggravating to use. While it is a stunning phone to look at the niceties end there. It has sharp sides all around with zero decent ways position to hold it. This thing hurts to hold. It's also super slick. While again feels nice touch wise it won't stay in hand for anything. A lot of this is negated by a case but being an already massive phone a case just makes it so much worse. I am a fairly large person and it feels like a three hand phone. It feels like it needs some sort of stand or grip at all times. People will say that's an easy fix just get a smaller iPhone. Wrong! While most of the features and internals are there in all iPhones the max stands heads and shoulders above all other iPhones. First, a much bigger battery. I have a friend with the smaller pro that gets less than a day battery wise. Mine will chug along all day and into the next. Second, much bigger camera sensors and a little more camera tech. It has a higher aperture on telephoto, more zoom on all settings, and sensor-shift stabilization. For me, Apple should have put the same stuff sans battery size in the smaller pro.
Useability
This is probably the biggest flaw when it comes to using an iPhone. I am leaving notifications out because that is a whole rage I will get into next. As far as simplicity goes if you were just making calls and text it's easy as every other phone out there and before it. for anything else, things get a little muddy. First, the biggest thing I notice is everything seems to take an extra swipe or click to finish. Simple stuff like switching Wifi or Bluetooth just feels like it takes so much more work than when I was using my Pixel. Other stuff like customization is non-existent. While yes there are widgets everything is still locked into a grid pattern. Folders help a bit but you quickly run out of room to play in the locked grid. Even with the widgets, it feels boring. Widgets while they look good are very limited. You cant resize or shape them and I miss having more than just one feature on some like my Google calendar or Google drive. They are just so basic right now. I still can't do things in apps without going into the app as my Pixel can. One I use all the time is the Gmail app icon swiping away notifications without leaving the home screen. Like I said just more input to do basic stuff.
Notifications
These just suck. There is no getting around how bad notifications suck on an iPhone. Now I know why people who have iPhones either never respond or find me in person to comment. There are two flavors of notification issues to me. First is the non-existent so subtle ones I don't notice them till it's too late. second are the one's I see but don't respond because I have to work too hard to. I want my important to be up top. Apple just files them in one on top of the other so it becomes daunting going through them. Second I one them to be sorted accordingly. For some dumb reason, it sorts them how it wants. For example, messages are not with all the other messages. Read the first to message notifications better keep going down it likes to tuck another down below one of the game's notifications. Want to go nuts with a false notification bubble even on core apps like settings? iOS loves that also. Oh, BTW you can not clear notifications from the app icon. Why is there no clear all for all my notifications? No idea there just isn't.
Camera
Okay, Apple you finally beat the Pixel here, or did you? so yes the iPhone camera is quite simply amazing in most situations and oust my Pixel in a lot of areas. If you widdle it down though you soon realize how insane Google has become when it comes to the camera software. Yes, the iPhone does better but I really think it is because of a brute force attack on Apple's part. It has better newer sensors and more of them. Of course, it should be better but here is the jaw-dropping point. I have gone back to exact spots and taking close photos with the iPhone and shown them side by side and the average person notices nothing and sometimes gravitates to the Pixel because the color looks more natural. We are talking a two-year-old plane jane one sensor phone versus the best of the best tech-wise and Google is still right there. Now for the parts, Apple has a Pixel beat. The number of sensors, no matter how much wizardry Google comes up with they just can not simulate the other sensors with software. Zoom same thing they just can't match what Apple is doing with actual zoom on the iPhone at this point. One thing Google does seem to stomp Apple on consistently is portrait shoots. No matter how simple the image Apple just can not seem to get the blur to work well on the Pro. There are artifacts in just about every photo on both but Apple has the more glaring artifacts in this case. The other thing I notice is while Apple does take in more light the night images typically look overprocessed on the iPhone. It is like they have the exposure turned up to 11 in most cases and in light-dark situations, it can't really make up its mind. Now in all dark or lit night scenes, the iPhone just has bigger better sensors so most of the image data is real not processed like the Google phones. This makes night sight iPhone images better in many cases especially the focus on back and foreground objects. You just have to tone the pictures down after the fact a little bit.
Apps
Everyone knows about iMessage. Personally, I don't use it. I do too much switching and don't want to be trapped in message pergatory. It got turned off at set up. I wish Google could get their messaging on iPhones because personally, I was starting to like it a lot. I never had any issues with sending and receiving anything with people on iPhones other than when they send me iMessage native stickers and likes. As far as other apps are concerned everything I had on Android is on iPhone and vice versa. I will say that it is weird that some Google apps seem to work a little better and others don't. The biggest issue I have is Drive. I use the scan feature a lot and it is not available on the iOS version. App integration is lacking on iOS as certain links ect. don't work the same as with Android. I am sure if I used the Apple native apps this would not be the case. The worst showing Google has is the Home app. Home on iOS works so much better than on Android. All my devices show and statuses show as well. On the Pixel, speakers would be playing but home would show nothing in the app until you went to the device. On iOS, speakers and TV show playing all the time.
Connected devices
All devices I had on Android work the same on iPhone. No difference here. The only issue is switching Bluetooth devices takes a little extra step to me on the Pro. I don't know how to explain it just takes a little more finagling.
Battery
The iPhone is better but why wouldn't be. It has a bigger battery so it lasts longer. Not some unworldly amount of battery life but good. Usually a full day or more with heavy use. Pixel was a full day most days except for when gaming. The iPhone seems to kill things more often. Stuff like google photos won't upload at all unless you are in the app. The weather widget doesn't update in real-time. so it seems to be fairly aggressive on what it kills to save juice.
Glitches and other wonkiness
To say the iPhone is perfect is living in a dream world. It has its fair share of glitches. Before the last update it would lock on certain apps and you would have to lock unlock and close it to get out. Another issue was random resets mainly in games. Both of those have gone away but there are other weird items. swipe down for notifications does not react to you sometimes only dragging down a millimeter and going back up. The double-tap on the back still has random activations. Native mail app just don't download something else. Wireless animation is funky sometimes. Notification sound does not play at times or cuts halfway. Some photos have a weird yellow tint so you have to take multiples. Notification dots won't go away even if cleared. This happens on their settings icon of all things. Gestures don't react according to what you want at times.
Thing's I miss sorely
Notification functions. Media functions on the lock screen. Full assistant Siri is still trash. Copy-paste from the app in card view. App integration. Swipe back gesture. App drawer. Apples it is not a drawer if I have to swipe four screens to get to it. Customization of colors, font, icons, and home screens. Speed of sharing anything from photos to files.

Brevity is not my strong suit. No one is going to read this whole thing, but as long as one person reads at least one section of this, I'll be happy. Feel free to skip ahead to a section you specifically want to read a comparison about, if you don't want to read the whole thing. I recommend the Performance and Gaming sections.
Firstly, here is a Dropbox folder of photos, screenshots, gameplay footage, (no camera videos yet) for the things I will be referring to.
Secondly, I am no phone reviewer. I buy phones once every 3-4 years, until this time where I jumped the gun to switch to a Pixel, so I have only used 5 phones in my life (mostly midrange) and don't have too much to compare to.
Thirdly, this is long enough to have an outline, so feel free to jump to read something that interests you if you don't want to read the whole thing:

1. Introduction
2. Dimensions
3. Haptics
4. Display
5. Fingerprint sensor
6. Speakers
7. Microphone
8. Battery
9. General software and features
10. Default Launcher
11. Always On Display
12. Performance
13. Gaming
14. Camera
15. Dual Screen
16. Conclusion
17. tl;dr

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Introduction

Hi /GooglePixel I picked up a LG G8X as about 4 months ago when my Moto Z Play died on me, and the LG G8X seemed to have everything I wanted in a phone at the great price of $500 CAD (at the time – the phone’s even cheaper now!). Snapdragon 855, 4000 mAh battery with positive battery reviews, AMOLED display, wide angle camera, 128gb storage + expandable, headphone jack, front-facing fingerprint scanner (in this case, in-screen). I also could have bought a separate dual screen if I wanted.
Unfortunately, after having used it for 4 months, I started feeling wary of the phone. I wasn’t sure if I was imagining it or not, but I felt the performance felt faster than the MZP definitely, but not… remarkably faster than this 4 year old midrange phone with a Snapdragon 625? The phone was heavier than I’d like and was actually straining my wrist with prolonged usage (weak wrists I guess), the standby time at my home was draining about 2%/hour, recently opened apps and websites seemed to require refreshes frequently, and most frustratingly of all, the “previous app” gesture was completely busted to the point I just use the Recent Apps page to go to my previously used apps.
For Boxing Week in Canada, lots of carriers had the Pixel 4a 5G for $260. This is the phone I would have bought if it had been out when my MZP died, so I decided to pick it up. If I didn’t like it, I’d have 15 days to return it. If I did like it more than the LG G8X, I’d try to sell my LG G8X. My fears were that the Pixel would have worse performance with its midrange SD765 (especially compared to the LG G8X's SD 855, 2019's fastest Android processor), possibly worse battery, I’d miss the expandable storage, and most importantly… that I wouldn’t be able to sell the LG G8X at a reasonable price to recoup the costs.
So here is an ludicrously in-depth, very long-winded comparison between the two phones, based on my personal experiences with them. Keep in mind the LG G8X is a 4 month old phone so in some ways may have deteriorated in terms of performance and battery. I guess you could say it’s a bit unfair to compare a brand new days-old phone with a 4 month old phone, but I guess it could also be said that it’s a bit unfair to compare a SD 855 phone with a SD 765 phone. That being said, I haven’t noticed an appreciable decline in performance or battery on the LG.
So, which came out on top? (Spoiler: surprisingly, despite its “worse specs” on paper, the Pixel won out in nearly every regard, completely creamed the LG in memory management, is basically the same in terms of app and website opening speeds, even games better.)
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Dimensions

Perhaps a dumb reason, but one of the main reasons I was thinking of switching away from the LG G8X is the weight. I didn’t realize how much of a difference 27g would make, but my wrist gets tired using the LG G8X after a while, whereas my wrist does not with the Pixel nearly as much. In terms of the length and width, though the LG is bigger, it doesn’t feel much bigger to use (outside of the weight).
Some people like huge phones, and good for them! For me, the Pixel’s lighter profile wins out by far.
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Hardware

Power buttons for both phones are on the right side. Pixel has volume also on the right, which makes taking screenshots a pain. LG has the volume buttons on the left, much more convenient for screenshots. LG also has a useful Google Assistant physical button on the right below the volume buttons, which is not remappable. Pixel has a matte plastic back with a camera bump, the LG G8X has a glass back that is completely flush with the camera. In theory this sounds nice for the LG G8X, but I suspect the glass contributes to the weight of the phone. This is an incredibly slippery phone! The weight of the charging cord is often enough to pull this slippery guy off a tabletop. Can be solved with a case.
LG wins here. The glass feels more premium, and the buttons are a lot nicer. The flush nature of the device is really nice.
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Haptics

Not something I care too much about honestly. I had read some review somewhere saying the LG haptics were bad, but I didn’t mind it at all at the time. Similar to the MZP. Now that I have the Pixel though, I think I see what they mean. The LG feels …tinnier? than the Pixel. The first time I received a notification on the Pixel I almost jumped out of my seat at how full and robust the vibration was.
Pixel wins here, I think. Maybe. But I don’t really care much for haptics so it’s a non-issue for me.
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Display

LG G8X has a slightly bigger screen at 6.4” vs 6.2”. In practice I can’t really tell the difference. In terms of image quality, I am no expert at distinguishing this. Pixel appears a bit brighter than the LG G8X at max brightness. Pixel appears a bit darker than the LG G8X at minimum brightness. Honestly not a huge difference either way. At low brightness, the LG has a bit of a “black smear” effect that I notice while scrolling that isn’t as evident on the Pixel. Colours, I don’t know. Reds and whites look more natural on the Pixel otherwise hard for me to tell much of a difference. However, LG gives you a lot of flexibility in playing around with the colours of the display and stuff and I’m sure you could get it to look the way you want. The Pixel only offers 3 colour options. Finally, the status bar on the Pixel is HUGE and feels like they could’ve saved a lot of space if they cut it down. Thus for many apps the LG G8X feels significantly more spacious because of the status bar – the Pixel’s status bar is, from what I can visually estimate, literally twice as tall as the LG’s. Auto brightness: LG G8X is way better. Smooth gradation, whereas Pixel is abrupt.
Overall I think the Pixel is maybe a tad nicer on default settings, but I’ll give it to LG G8X for the flexibility with adjusting the screen colours however you want, as well as the extra real estate afforded by the much smaller status bar (and of course bigger screen).
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Fingerprint sensor

LG G8X fingerprint is frustratingly inaccurate. I am only successfully like 60-70% of the time with my thumbs. Sometimes it’s fantastic, other times I cannot get it to work 5 times in a row and I need to enter the passcode manually. I can’t seem to recreate the conditions where it doesn’t work. That being said, I really like having front-facing fingerprint scanners: my phone is often sitting on my desk, and it’s really nice to be able to check things on my phone without having to lift up the phone or entering a passcode. Also, when my phone is on my desk, I unlock my phone with my index finger which is a lot more accurate than when I use my thumb, I guess because the index finger has such a smaller surface area. Thus that frustration with inaccuracy isn’t as big of an issue when my phone is on my desk, but it’s still generally much slower than a regular fingerprint reader.
The Pixel fingerprint reader on the other hand works ridiculously well (maybe because of the index finger thing? Though my old thumb Moto Z Play was also a lot quicker and more reliable than the LG G8X), and is much quicker in recognizing the fingerprint. There is also a “Swipe down on fingerprint reader” gesture to bring down notification panel. I constantly get false positives when I accidentally rest my finger on the sensor, so I’ve turned it off. The fingerprint reader is incredibly shallow to the point where I sometimes don’t know where it is because it’s hard to feel. As a result, sometimes I need to search for it a bit, and other times I accidentally turn it on without even noticing that I activated the fingerprint sensor. Both problems could be solved with a case (which I don’t have yet)
Overall it’s a tossup for me. I like the reliability and speed of the Pixel’s, but I like the front-facing sensor on the LG for when I have the phone laying on my desk (which is a lot of the time).
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Speakers

I can’t tell. They both sound different. The max volumes are very similar in volume. The Pixel has a much quieter, almost imperceptible min volume. The Pixel 4a 5G sounds more… spacious? Maybe echoey. The LG G8X’s speakers sound more… precise? There is an obvious difference in the two sounds, which sounds “better” might be an obvious difference to others but I can’t tell. I have to assume that the LG G8X’s headphone jack audio is much better than the Pixels with the HI-Fi Quad DAC thing, but I don’t have any high end headphones so I can’t test it really. The LG G8X has some fancy “DTS:X 3D Surround” effects, which all sound terrible always, so I never leave them on. LG G8X has an equalizer, Pixel does not. Audio for both come out of the bottom right “speaker grille” and the earpiece speaker grille. For both phone the bottom speaker is louder than the earpiece, but the Pixel’s speakers are closer in volume than the LG G8X’s: block the bottom speaker, and the audio is greatly diminished.
I think the LG wins this one with the audio options and flexibility? There’s probably something fundamentally different between the speakers on the two phones but I really I can’t tell which I prefer. People had a lot of complaints about the Pixel 5 speakers, I have no clue if the 4a 5G have the same problems.
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Microphone

Take a listen for yourself. I read a very relevant CBC report with both phones about 15 cm away from my face. I also recorded my laptop playing some music, about 30cm away from the phones. I think the Pixel maybe takes in more sound, but as a result also has more background noise than the LG. On the contrary the LG sounds tinnier to me.
Overall I still think I like the Pixel better, but again take a listen yourself!
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Battery

The Pixel has a 3800 mAh battery, the LG has a 4000 mAh battery. That being said, there are obviously many other factors contributing to battery life (processor, cell signal, etc). If I just use both phones nonstop, they both have great SOT. Both get about 8-9 hours for me of SOT uninterrupted. It’s the standby time that the Pixel excels at though. Overnight drain is <1%/h on the Pixel whereas it’s about 1.5% on my LG. Standby drain while out and about is about 1%/h on the Pixel whereas it’s about 2%/h on the LG. It’s unfortunately the standby drain that turns the LG G8X from a true 2 day phone to a not-quite-fully-2 day phone. (Also keep in mind cell signal plays a big role in battery drain – the signal in my area isn’t super great. I’m sure the drain for others isn’t as bad as the 2%/h I’m experiencing, but you might live in an area with better reception!)
Both phones have great battery life. I will give this one to the 4a 5G for the great standby time. I’ve included screenshots of my (very phone heavy) holiday break battery life, as per Accubattery. I may continue to add Pixel battery life screenshots as the days go by.
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General software and special features

Mostly just going to list features here, bear with me. Pixel has the huge advantage of having day 1 Android updates for 3 years. LG G8X has maybe 1 update left in it, if at all? Both phones have double tap to wake. LG has double tap the status bar to sleep, which is very nice. Pixel has call screening with the phone, Now Playing song recognition. Notifications are basically identical. LG G8X technically has a 1 handed/Reachability mode, but it has worked a grand total of 2 times for me despite trying it countless times. Would have been nice. The Pixel’s “Recent apps” screen has a Screenshot button and a Select (text) option. I don’t find the screenshot button very useful at all as I can just take a screenshot with the (admittedly uncomfortable) Power button + Volume Down combo. Select text I have not used yet but I could see being useful. The LG has an, in my opinion, much more useful set of frequently used icons on the bottom. Not customizable, but pretty true to what I use frequently. I use the feature very often. In addition to split screen apps, LG also gives you the option for a “pop up window”, Windows style, that you can drag around the screen, which could be useful for multitasking I guess but I’m still not sure in what use cases you’d have multiple windows-style windows open (they don’t work on the dual screen).
LG apps
LG has a bunch of bloatware that I never use and I disabled right away. I haven’t tested out the Whale browser at all. LG has its own LG Health app which I did not check out. It has an FM Radio which could be useful. There is a screenshot tool/app which could be useful, but I just use the regular screenshot shortcut. (Speaking about screenshots: Android 11 brought with it screenshots that are instantly taken as soon as you press Power + volume down, which is fantastic on the Pixel. On the LG, you still have to hold the buttons for a second or two. That being said, it is very annoying taking screenshots on the Pixel due to the volume and power buttons being on the same side. Android 11 also removed the ability to take a screenshot by holding the power button, which could have been great.) LG also has a pretty robust “HD Audio Recorder” app with lots of flexibility, but doesn’t do the transcribing that the Google audio recorder does (Which you can download though to the LG via apk). LG G8X has 2 apps you can assign to each bottom corner of the lock screen, which is where I put my GCam. Both phones have double tap power button to turn on camera shortcuts. LG also has a “Context Awareness” feature, which lets you adjust your sound profile, Bluetooth, wifi settings automatically based on your location. Also lets you find your parking spot. Neat in theory, but I didn’t use it much for concerns about battery drain (did not test to see if it really drained much). LG has a “Floating bar” you can turn on, which is a little tab which gives you shortcuts to apps that you can set, audio controls, screen capture, quick contacts. I could see this being really useful! I didn’t realize til just now writing this that we could set our own apps though, so I haven’t tested it to see if I’d actually use it. Finally, the G8X has a desktop mode, which I unfortunately don’t have access to. I can imagine this being useful in certain situations.
LG's previous app gesture
One big complaint that I have a big reason I was tempted to ditch the LG. The “previous app” gesture is completely busted on the LG. I won’t talk about it much here as I’ve already documented it elsewhere. In short, it’s completely unreliable and only works the way you’d expect it to work like 30% of the time. It is infuriating and makes me want to chuck out the windows at times. I’ve stopped using the gesture entirely and just open the Recent Tabs instead, which over time adds up a decent amount of time. The Pixel has no such problem. Generally the LG is also buggier than the Pixel, with jankier animations, turning off out of nowhere, sometimes getting stuck on the Recent Apps screen, completely going unresponsive at times – the latter three problems being quite rare, but they’ve happened.
Pixel power menus
Emergency info, power off, restart, Google Pay, Google Home devices. No longer has screenshot. LG power menu: Power off, power off and restart. Pixel definitely wins here.
Volume menus
Pixel has media volume slider, notifications toggle, Live Transcribe, and a shortcut to an audio settings overlay. LG has a context-sensitive volume slider (media volume slider when there’s audio playing, call volume during a call, notification volume otherwise), and a drop-down menu for individually controlling the different types of volumes. If you don’t want a context-sensitive slider, you can also set it to by default open just the one type. Pixel wins here for me: though the context sensitive slider can be useful, Live Transcribe is a pretty neat feature. Pixel also lets me control both notifications (Toggle) and media volume slider within one tap, whereas the LG only lets me change (in one tap) whichever context sensitive option is available at the time, otherwise I’d have to open the menu.
Overall, LG has a lot of features crammed in, but I rarely if ever use any of them. They are functionally bloatware for me. LG does have some genuinely useful software quirks like double tap status bar to sleep, the Floating Bar (I guess), and the lock screen shortcuts, but I have never been so aggravated with a phone before in my life with the previous app gesture and other bugs that I have to give Google the win here. (Also, reliable frequent software updates, less bloatware, and other useful features like Call Screening, Live Transcribe, Now Playing). The caveat is I haven’t used the Pixel long enough to see the bugs present in the Pixel.
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Default launchers

Google uses the Pixel Launcher. Very minimal flexibility, but it is pretty slick to use with great animations. Google search bar on the bottom, At A Glance (temperature, date, calendar events) at the top, Google feed to the left. You can’t adjust icon packs or grid size. App drawer showing frequently used apps at the top, and the rest of the apps in alphabetical order in a scrolling pile/list. LG has their own launcher with more flexibility (screen swipe effect, icon shape, grid size, option for left swipe to be Google feed or LG’s whatever feed). Unfortunately LG’s app drawer is truly horrendous, a horizontally moving multipaged mess that doesn’t automatically sort (if you add an app, you need to manually sort alphabetically to get them all alphabetical again). I never know which page I am on (there is an indicator at the bottom, but still) and thus it takes me far longer than it should to find an app I’m looking for. Just give me a scrolly bar!
Either way, both launchers aren’t great (except for animations -they’re both slick) and you should really use some 3rd party launcher instead. I use Microsoft Launcher personally, which has some janky animations but lots of great functionality. Nova of course is another popular option with even more customization.
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Always On Display

Pixel Always On Display displays 5 notification icons, time, date, weather, battery. No customization. LG G8X lets you customize the home screen quite a bit (you can add your own images, change aspects of the format, displays time, date, battery but only displays 3 notification icons. Has quick icons you can swipe to access to eg. turn on flashlight, change songs, etc. The Pixel’s is dimmer than the LG’s, which I think I prefer. The LG’s is very bright at night when I’m trying to sleep. Finally, picking up the Pixel will wake it up and bring it to the lock screen. Picking up the LG does nothing.
Kind of a toss up. At first I was leaning toward the LG for its flexibility, but the Pixel’s 5 notification icons are frankly more useful to me. I also like the dimmer AOD of the Pixel. If you’ve got the Dual Screen, you’re almost never even going to see the AOD on the LG.
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Performance

Okay, so I realize that “opening apps and web pages in quick succession” is not something anyone ever does in real life. That being said, I think there is a little bit of merit to it.
Another reason I was thinking of switching away from the LG G8X was that this supposedly high end Snapdragon 855 didn’t feel nearly as quick or snappy as I thought it would. A definite improvement from my Moto Z Play, but also not quite the blazing fast speed I was expecting? So I did a ridiculously unscientific speed test between the two. Keep in mind the following caveats:
- MY LG G8X is 4 months old
- LG G8X has 111gb used of 128gb, Pixel has 75.14gb used of 128gb.
- Apps are close to parity but not quite
- I love reading about tech, but have not myself owned too many products. I am not a professional reviewer by any means, and have never really owned any high end phones (I had an iPhone 4 when it came out, the next “highest end” phone I’ve owned would be this LG G8X). So eg. with displays, I’m not the best at judging.
- I only got the dual screen a day before I got the Pixel, so most of my LG G8X impressions are from Dual Screen use. I’ve also used the Dual Screen for a bit since getting it, so I do have thoughts in its own section.
- I did comparisons in two different scenarios: 1st scenario, both phones were restarted, full battery. 2nd run, both phones had been on and used over a period of about 48 hours without turning them off. LG G8X was at 70% and Pixel was at 100%. Pixel was used generally much more than the LG phone was all day. The reason for doing it both after a fresh restart and after a few days on is that I had noticed that my LG seemed to perform worse after several days, and seemed to be better after a fresh restart.
1st run
With both phones freshly restarted and at the same battery percentage, geeeeeeeeeeeeeenerally the LG G8X was faster at opening apps than the Pixel. But honestly not as frequently as I was expecting. The LG G8X was generally able to open more intensive apps a bit faster than the Pixel. I’ve attached the “stats” here. In short, the LG was able to open 12 apps less than half a second faster than the Pixel, whereas the Pixel was able to open 9 apps less than half a second faster than the LG. The LG was able to open 8 apps more than half a second faster than the Pixel, and the Pixel was able to open 6 apps more than half a second faster than the LG. The phones opened 7 websites equally quickly. In terms of websites, the LG was able to open 23 websites faster than the Pixel, and the Pixel was able to open 9 websites slightly faster than the LG. They opened 3 websites at the same speed.
The most egregious thing here was the Pixel completely smoked the LG in terms of keeping app and websites in memory. It wasn’t even remotely close. Even before I got the Pixel I had noticed my LG seemed to be dropping apps quickly, but it wasn’t clear how quick it was until I directly compared these two phones. On my first run, after loading tons of Chrome tabs, both phones had to reload 80 days (the most recent app). After that, the LG continued to consistently reload apps, whereas the Pixel was able to load at least 7 apps without having to reload before I stopped testing.
2nd run
At this point I had both phones on for about 48 hours and had used my Pixel for about 3 hours that day (then charged to 100%) and then used my LG for about 2 hours right before testing it (battery about 70% when I started testing). I cleared all the apps from memory. I have no clue if the battery difference contributed or what, but the results completely flipped around, and quite dramatically. The Pixel was able to open apps slightly faster by <0.5s than the LG with 38 apps. The LG was slightly faster by >0.5s than the Pixel with 10 apps. The Pixel was noticeably >0.5s faster than the LG with 8 apps, and the LG was noticeably faster >0.5s than the Pixel with 6 apps. They were equally fast at opening 17 apps.
Really striking results. I rarely turn off my phone, which is maybe why I’ve been feeling my LG gets sluggish pretty easily? Clear something about keeping the LG on for periods of time causes… stuff… to build up, and the Pixel completely smoked the LG in terms of app opening on the second run. That being said, the <0.5s speed advantages really are quite miniscule, could very much be due to margin of error from my tapping, and of course there are always a million variables impacting how quickly an app opens up. But still, the Pixel is no slouch with its SD 765.
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Gaming

I also ran the Dolphin emulator on The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker and Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance. Both phones performed equally well, hitting 29-30 fps for Wind Waker and 59-60fps for Fire Emblem consistently. Genshin Impact ran a bit smoother on the LG than the LG (and the default setting for LG was “Medium” graphics, while for the Pixel was “Low”.) Both phones had lots of frame drops. I’ve included some screen recordings of Genshin Impact, both ran at medium settings, as well as the Dolphin games at default settings, using each respective phone’s default screen recorders. I’m not sure why the LG recording is such miserable quality (and muted), they both visually looked the same while actually playing the game. Similarly, I have no clue why the Pixel recording made the voices all echoey, they sound fine normally. Similarly, with the Dolphin emulator, normally Wind Waker is able to hold 29-30 pretty well, I suspect also running the screen recorder simultaneously caused it to drop frames. I repeated the Dolphin emulation after resetting the phone, and I still got frame rate drops. But uh, yeah, the Pixel also held its framerate better with the screen recorder than the LG did (normally they’re both good at holding the framerate).
Using Dolphin to emulate Xenoblade was a completely different story. Through the opening sequence, both phones (and my laptop) hiccupped at the same places. That being said, outside of those hiccup spots in cutscenes (and one area with a larger concentration of enemies), the Pixel 4a 5G was mostly able to maintain 30fps. Exploring Colony 9 was a smooth 30fps throughout the city. The LG G8X hiccupped in those cutscenes, but in other places where the Pixel was 30fps, the LG G8X was chugging along at 15-25fps. Most notably this occurred while exploring Colony 9. I have no clue what’s going on here, I didn’t actually expect the Pixel to perform so well here, or the LG G8X to perform so poorly. I tried walking around Colony 9 again when my phone cooled down a bit and it performed better, but quickly tanked back down to ~20fps within 15 seconds. I suspect LG throttles its phone pretty hard?
Overall, shockingly, I have to give the Pixel the win here. It’s no comparison. You can check out the gameplay vids yourself. I don’t know if I have a lemon of an LG G8X or what. If anyone else is able to emulate Xenoblade on their LG G8X, let me know how it performs for you. Is my phone a lemon? Or did LG just optimize their phone extremely poorly? (ALSO Apologies for the terrible resolution for the LG recorder, I didn’t realize you could change the resolution to full HD til my rerecording after the phone had cooled down).
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Camera

I thought the LG’s camera was fantastic coming from the Moto Z Play. Then I got the Pixel! GCam does help, but unfortunately you can’t set it to the double-tap-power button shortcut. The LG camera app does have some merits (lots of flexibility in image settings if you have the time to tweak settings to take a photo), but for a quick point and shoot it just doesn’t compare to the Pixel a lot of the time. That being said, I feel the LG actually sometimes takes more accurate photos? If I take a photo of something drab and dull, the LG captures it pretty accurately, whereas the Pixel takes a far nicer looking photo but doesn’t look like the drab reality. The Pixel though also takes much nicer, realistic photos of nice vibrant things, whereas the LG’s photos look more washed out. For day shots, or shots facing light, the… dynamic range? Is that what it’s called? For the Pixel is far better than the Pixel. The LG will blow out eg. the details in clouds (ie. Clouds will just appear white and uniform), while the Pixel will preserve the detail and colour of the clouds. For night shots, the LG actually takes better non-Night mode night shots than the Pixel. But the Pixel’s Night Mode absolutely smokes LG’s Night Mode, no questions asked. LG with GCam’s Night Sight helps a lot though. The LG’s selfie camera focuses off into the distance instead of your face so is functionally useless. Finally, I don’t take videos so won’t really comment on it. LG’s wide camera is a lot wider than the Pixel’s, which is a plus for LG.
Overall, the Pixel has a better camera but the LG isn’t too shabby, and sometimes takes nicer shots than the Pixel. Non-Night mode shots are actually better on the LG, but usually Pixel’s night mode turns out better looking. I’ll let the photos do the talking, where I have comparison shots between the LG (with the LG cam as well as the GCam), vs. the Pixel. I’m a lot more interested in shots with challenging lighting, thus the weird dark shots. Unfortunately the weather isn’t great here so no nice outdoor shots. Also unfortunately I have now noticed that a lot of them are blurrier than I’d like – I am too lazy to change them now! I may add more photos to the albums later.
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Dual screen

I just picked this up a day before the Pixel came in. I was pretty excited for it because there are definitely times where I want to multitask, or where I’ve got split screen open trying to copy some text from what window to the other but the keyboard pops up and blocks my view.
Unfortunately, the dual screen implementation feels far more half-hearted than that of what I’m hearing about the Surface Duo. The two screens feel more like two separate machines with a tenuous link, than like two parts of the same unit. At the same time, the 2nd screen doesn’t have the same functionality as the main screen: you can’t split screen it, you can’t change the launcher, the home screen is not continuous at all with the main screen’s home screen, and when you throw one screen’s contents over to the other screen, it often feels like a mystery what will occupy the screen whose contents you just threw over to the other screen.
Using one screen as a keyboard for the other screen in theory sounds really neat, but it only works with the LG keyboard, which has an embarrassingly tiny dictionary with terrible autocorrect suggestions. Even when it works with the LG keyboard, when you tap in a text field on the top screen, the phone does this janky animation where the keyboard first shows up on the top screen before jumping down to the bottom screen. If you tap on a text field on the bottom screen, it won’t by default push the bottom screen contents up and open the keyboard on the bottom screen (which could be what some people want, I guess).
Very, very, very few apps make good use of the dual screens, even with the 3rd party Wide Mode app which forces any app into Wide Mode (which just turns apps into Tablet Mode rather than giving unique content to each screen). The LG Whale browser seems to be the best app to make use of the dual screen (you can open links in one screen on the other screen) – that being said, I’d much rather use other browsers. Chrome does a reasonable job, and you can open taps from one screen in the other screen. I can’t find a way to get Youtube to open a video on one screen and me scrolling through comments/searching through other videos on the other screen.
Overall something I really wish they would have incorporated was, say, opening a link in one app and the internet browser automatically opening in the other screen, or at least giving me the option to open in the other screen! Say, a friend sends me a link to a website and then I open the website in the opposite screen automatically and then continue talking to my friend on the first screen. Not a feature that is currently implemented.
The LG Gamepad mode seems like a great idea: the top screen acts as the screen, the bottom screen acts as the gamepad. Supposedly the games will detect it as a native gamepad. Unfortunately, it was not compatible with Stadia, Xbox GamePass Streaming, or Dolphin Emulator. It was compatible with Final Fantasy V and PPSSPP. Games like Genshin Impact, a game without controller support absolutely begging for it, work really well with it as you can also create a custom gamepad with buttons that correspond to tapping areas on the game screen. I was most looking forward to it working with Stadia, Gamepass and the emulators though (I don’t play too many native Android games) so I definitely am pretty bummed.
My biggest complaint though is there just simply is no easy way to type with the dual screen vertical. Though I’d like to make use of the dual screen features sometimes for the occasional time I want to multitask, I sadly discovered the few times I would use the dual screen to its potential does not warrant having the carry this colossal phone around with its incredibly uncomfortable typing position. The obvious solution would be to have a “wide mode” split keyboard, which actually does appear if you Wide Mode an app and then use the keyboard. But from what I can tell, there is no way to “wide mode” a keyboard when you’re using the dual screens as, well, dual screens. On single screen phones I usually type with two hands, whereas I can’t type with one hand on this phone because the keyboard only shows up on one screen, and the other screen is in the way. On this phone, the only way to type is to hold the phone with one hand, and use a finger on the other hand to peck at or swipe the keys.
Overall, I think I like a dual screen in theory, but LG didn’t execute it very well at all. Instead of feeling like an extension of the main screen, it feels like its entirely own entity and doesn’t always flow well with the main screen. The absolute paucity of apps making use of the dual screen to its full potential is unfortunate. The biggest culprit is that typing in dual screen vertical mode (The way I use it most frequently) is extremely uncomfortable. All these drawbacks don’t make keeping the dual screen on worthwhile, as someone who only occasionally requires the dual screen.
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Conclusion

If you’ve made it this far, thanks for reading! This wound up being nearly 7000 words… wasn’t expecting it to be, like, even a quarter that long. I'll be happy if even one person reads through 50% of this.
I think the Pixel demonstrates that spec sheets really are not everything. Either that, or I got a lemon of an LG G8X (not outside the realm of possibility). With the caveat of the LG having much more fuller storage and being used for 4 more months, despite the LG’s supposedly better chip, performance is objectively pretty similar between the two phones in terms of app opening and opening websites. The Pixel was actually beating out the LG pretty consistently after both phones were used for 48 hours. Both phones run Genshin Impact kind of miserably, and run Gamecube games on Dolphin without a hitch. The Pixel was significantly better than the LG in emulating the Wii. The Pixel consistently destroyed the LG in terms of memory management. The Pixel’s smaller battery capacity of 3800 mAh outlasted the LG’s 4000 mAh battery, even when the LG was brand new. The camera in the Pixel is far better than the LG. The software experience of the Pixel is smoother and less buggy (and certainly less frustrating). The fingerprint sensor is a tossup for me. The audio is maybe better in the LG, but I can’t really tell. Screens are similar. The LG does “feel” more premium, but I do prefer the lightness of the Pixel. The one definitely advantage the LG has over the Pixel is the expandable storage.
Needless to say, I think I am going to keep the Pixel. I didn’t want to leave the LG G8X community behind though without giving a good reason to do so, and I hope this 6000+ word document with accompanying Dropbox folder of photos, screenshots, and screen recordings explain why I did so, and also demonstrate that spec sheets aren’t everything. I’ll probably try to sell the LG G8X + Dual Screen, but taking a look at how long these phones stay on Facebook Marketplace/eBay, I’m not very hopeful I’ll be able to sell it at even a fraction of what I bought it for. Anyway, thanks for reading.
I spent way too much time on this.
Also I haven’t proofread this, so I’m sure there are mistakes abound.
Also I really need to get working on actually important stuff. Thanks for reading!
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Much needed tl;dr (Which is still long):

- Spec sheets are not everything.
- Was getting tired of LG G8X's weight, previous app gesture being busted, standby drain, general glitchiness, slower performance than expected, so I picked up a Pixel 4a 5G.
- Did lots of tests which you can check out in the Dropbox
- I subjectively like Pixel's camera, speakers, microphone, default screen colour balance, software cleanliness better.
- Really surprisingly, my specific days-old Pixel 4a 5G outperforms my 4 month old LG G8X in app opening and website opening (unless I freshly restart both phones). REALLY surprisingly, my Pixel ran circles around the LG in Wii emulation, and was equally competent at Gamecube emulation and Genshin Impact
- I will be keeping the Pixel. I will try to sell the LG G8X but am not hopeful. I will miss LG G8X's expandable storage but not much else.

Brevity is not my strong suit.
Firstly, here is a Dropbox folder of photos, screenshots, gameplay footage, (no camera videos yet) for the things I will be referring to.
Secondly, this is long enough to have an outline, so feel free to jump to read something that interests you if you don't want to read the whole thing:

1. Introduction
2. Dimensions
3. Haptics
4. Display
5. Fingerprint sensor
6. Speakers
7. Microphone
8. Battery
9. General software and features
10. Default Launcher
11. Always On Display
12. Performance
13. Gaming
14. Camera
15. Dual Screen
16. Conclusion
17. tl;dr

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Introduction

Hi /LGG8X. I picked up a LG G8X as about 4 months ago when my Moto Z Play died on me, and the LG G8X seemed to have everything I wanted in a phone at the great price of $500 CAD (at the time – the phone’s even cheaper now!). Snapdragon 855, 4000 mAh battery with positive battery reviews, AMOLED display, wide angle camera, 128gb storage + expandable, headphone jack, front-facing fingerprint scanner (in this case, in-screen). I also could have bought a separate dual screen if I wanted.
Unfortunately, after having used it for 4 months, I started feeling wary of the phone. I wasn’t sure if I was imagining it or not, but I felt the performance felt faster than the MZP definitely, but not… remarkably faster than this 4 year old midrange phone with a Snapdragon 625? The phone was heavier than I’d like and was actually straining my wrist with prolonged usage (weak wrists I guess), the standby time at my home was draining about 2%/hour, recently opened apps and websites seemed to require refreshes frequently, and most frustratingly of all, the “previous app” gesture was completely busted to the point I just use the Recent Apps page to go to my previously used apps.
For Boxing Week in Canada, lots of carriers had the Pixel 4a 5G for $260. This is the phone I would have bought if it had been out when my MZP died, so I decided to pick it up. If I didn’t like it, I’d have 15 days to return it. If I did like it more than the LG G8X, I’d try to sell my LG G8X. My fears were that the Pixel would have worse performance with its SD765, possibly worse battery, I’d miss the expandable storage, and most importantly… that I wouldn’t be able to sell the LG G8X at a reasonable price to recoup the costs.
So here is an ludicrously in-depth, very long-winded comparison between the two phones, based on my personal experiences with them. Keep in mind the LG G8X is a 4 month old phone so in some ways may have deteriorated in terms of performance and battery. I guess you could say it’s a bit unfair to compare a brand new days-old phone with a 4 month old phone, but I guess it could also be said that it’s a bit unfair to compare a SD 855 phone with a SD 765 phone. That being said, I haven’t noticed an appreciable decline in performance or battery on the LG.
So, which came out on top? (Spoiler: surprisingly, despite its “worse specs” on paper, the Pixel won out in nearly every regard, completely creamed the LG in memory management, is basically the same in terms of app and website opening speeds, even games better.)
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Dimensions

Perhaps a dumb reason, but one of the main reasons I was thinking of switching away from the LG G8X is the weight. I didn’t realize how much of a difference 27g would make, but my wrist gets tired using the LG G8X after a while, whereas my wrist does not with the Pixel nearly as much. In terms of the length and width, though the LG is bigger, it doesn’t feel much bigger to use (outside of the weight).
Some people like huge phones, and good for them! For me, the Pixel’s lighter profile wins out by far.
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Hardware

Power buttons for both phones are on the right side. Pixel has volume also on the right, which makes taking screenshots a pain. LG has the volume buttons on the left, much more convenient for screenshots. LG also has a useful Google Assistant physical button on the right below the volume buttons, which is not remappable. Pixel has a matte plastic back with a camera bump, the LG G8X has a glass back that is completely flush with the camera. In theory this sounds nice for the LG G8X, but I suspect the glass contributes to the weight of the phone. This is an incredibly slippery phone! The weight of the charging cord is often enough to pull this slippery guy off a tabletop. Can be solved with a case.
LG wins here. The glass feels more premium, and the buttons are a lot nicer. The flush nature of the device is really nice.
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Haptics

Not something I care too much about honestly. I had read some review somewhere saying the LG haptics were bad, but I didn’t mind it at all at the time. Similar to the MZP. Now that I have the Pixel though, I think I see what they mean. The LG feels …tinnier? than the Pixel. The first time I received a notification on the Pixel I almost jumped out of my seat at how full and robust the vibration was.
Pixel wins here, I think. Maybe. But I don’t really care much for haptics so it’s a non-issue for me.
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Display

LG G8X has a slightly bigger screen at 6.4” vs 6.2”. In practice I can’t really tell the difference. In terms of image quality, I am no expert at distinguishing this. Pixel appears a bit brighter than the LG G8X at max brightness. Pixel appears a bit darker than the LG G8X at minimum brightness. Honestly not a huge difference either way. At low brightness, the LG has a bit of a “black smear” effect that I notice while scrolling that isn’t as evident on the Pixel. Colours, I don’t know. Reds and whites look more natural on the Pixel otherwise hard for me to tell much of a difference. However, LG gives you a lot of flexibility in playing around with the colours of the display and stuff and I’m sure you could get it to look the way you want. The Pixel only offers 3 colour options. Finally, the status bar on the Pixel is HUGE and feels like they could’ve saved a lot of space if they cut it down. Thus for many apps the LG G8X feels significantly more spacious because of the status bar – the Pixel’s status bar is, from what I can visually estimate, literally twice as tall as the LG’s. Auto brightness: LG G8X is way better. Smooth gradation, whereas Pixel is abrupt.
Overall I think the Pixel is maybe a tad nicer on default settings, but I’ll give it to LG G8X for the flexibility with adjusting the screen colours however you want, as well as the extra real estate afforded by the much smaller status bar (and of course bigger screen).
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Fingerprint sensor

LG G8X fingerprint is frustratingly inaccurate. I am only successfully like 60-70% of the time with my thumbs. Sometimes it’s fantastic, other times I cannot get it to work 5 times in a row and I need to enter the passcode manually. I can’t seem to recreate the conditions where it doesn’t work. That being said, I really like having front-facing fingerprint scanners: my phone is often sitting on my desk, and it’s really nice to be able to check things on my phone without having to lift up the phone or entering a passcode. Also, when my phone is on my desk, I unlock my phone with my index finger which is a lot more accurate than when I use my thumb, I guess because the index finger has such a smaller surface area. Thus that frustration with inaccuracy isn’t as big of an issue when my phone is on my desk, but it’s still generally much slower than a regular fingerprint reader.
The Pixel fingerprint reader on the other hand works ridiculously well (maybe because of the index finger thing? Though my old thumb Moto Z Play was also a lot quicker and more reliable than the LG G8X), and is much quicker in recognizing the fingerprint. There is also a “Swipe down on fingerprint reader” gesture to bring down notification panel. I constantly get false positives when I accidentally rest my finger on the sensor, so I’ve turned it off. The fingerprint reader is incredibly shallow to the point where I sometimes don’t know where it is because it’s hard to feel. As a result, sometimes I need to search for it a bit, and other times I accidentally turn it on without even noticing that I activated the fingerprint sensor. Both problems could be solved with a case (which I don’t have yet)
Overall it’s a tossup for me. I like the reliability and speed of the Pixel’s, but I like the front-facing sensor on the LG for when I have the phone laying on my desk (which is a lot of the time).
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Speakers

I can’t tell. They both sound different. The max volumes are very similar in volume. The Pixel has a much quieter, almost imperceptible min volume. The Pixel 4a 5G sounds more… spacious? Maybe echoey. The LG G8X’s speakers sound more… precise? There is an obvious difference in the two sounds, which sounds “better” might be an obvious difference to others but I can’t tell. I have to assume that the LG G8X’s headphone jack audio is much better than the Pixels with the HI-Fi Quad DAC thing, but I don’t have any high end headphones so I can’t test it really. The LG G8X has some fancy “DTS:X 3D Surround” effects, which all sound terrible always, so I never leave them on. LG G8X has an equalizer, Pixel does not. Audio for both come out of the bottom right “speaker grille” and the earpiece speaker grille. For both phone the bottom speaker is louder than the earpiece, but the Pixel’s speakers are closer in volume than the LG G8X’s: block the bottom speaker, and the audio is greatly diminished.
I think the LG wins this one with the audio options and flexibility? There’s probably something fundamentally different between the speakers on the two phones but I really I can’t tell which I prefer. People had a lot of complaints about the Pixel 5 speakers, I have no clue if the 4a 5G have the same problems.
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Microphone

Take a listen for yourself. I read a very relevant CBC report with both phones about 15 cm away from my face. I also recorded my laptop playing some music, about 30cm away from the phones. I think the Pixel maybe takes in more sound, but as a result also has more background noise than the LG. On the contrary the LG sounds tinnier to me.
Overall I still think I like the Pixel better, but again take a listen yourself!
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Battery

The Pixel has a 3800 mAh battery, the LG has a 4000 mAh battery. That being said, there are obviously many other factors contributing to battery life (processor, cell signal, etc). If I just use both phones nonstop, they both have great SOT. Both get about 8-9 hours for me of SOT uninterrupted. It’s the standby time that the Pixel excels at though. Overnight drain is <1%/h on the Pixel whereas it’s about 1.5% on my LG. Standby drain while out and about is about 1%/h on the Pixel whereas it’s about 2%/h on the LG. It’s unfortunately the standby drain that turns the LG G8X from a true 2 day phone to a not-quite-fully-2 day phone. (Also keep in mind cell signal plays a big role in battery drain – the signal in my area isn’t super great. I’m sure the drain for others isn’t as bad as the 2%/h I’m experiencing, but you might live in an area with better reception!)
Both phones have great battery life. I will give this one to the 4a 5G for the great standby time. I’ve included screenshots of my (very phone heavy) holiday break battery life, as per Accubattery. I may continue to add Pixel battery life screenshots as the days go by.
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General software and special features

Mostly just going to list features here, bear with me. Pixel has the huge advantage of having day 1 Android updates for 3 years. LG G8X has maybe 1 update left in it, if at all? Both phones have double tap to wake. LG has double tap the status bar to sleep, which is very nice. Pixel has call screening with the phone, Now Playing song recognition. Notifications are basically identical. LG G8X technically has a 1 handed/Reachability mode, but it has worked a grand total of 2 times for me despite trying it countless times. Would have been nice. The Pixel’s “Recent apps” screen has a Screenshot button and a Select (text) option. I don’t find the screenshot button very useful at all as I can just take a screenshot with the (admittedly uncomfortable) Power button + Volume Down combo. Select text I have not used yet but I could see being useful. The LG has an, in my opinion, much more useful set of frequently used icons on the bottom. Not customizable, but pretty true to what I use frequently. I use the feature very often. In addition to split screen apps, LG also gives you the option for a “pop up window”, Windows style, that you can drag around the screen, which could be useful for multitasking I guess but I’m still not sure in what use cases you’d have multiple windows-style windows open (they don’t work on the dual screen).
LG apps
LG has a bunch of bloatware that I never use and I disabled right away. I haven’t tested out the Whale browser at all. LG has its own LG Health app which I did not check out. It has an FM Radio which could be useful. There is a screenshot tool/app which could be useful, but I just use the regular screenshot shortcut. (Speaking about screenshots: Android 11 brought with it screenshots that are instantly taken as soon as you press Power + volume down, which is fantastic on the Pixel. On the LG, you still have to hold the buttons for a second or two. That being said, it is very annoying taking screenshots on the Pixel due to the volume and power buttons being on the same side. Android 11 also removed the ability to take a screenshot by holding the power button, which could have been great.) LG also has a pretty robust “HD Audio Recorder” app with lots of flexibility, but doesn’t do the transcribing that the Google audio recorder does (Which you can download though to the LG via apk). LG G8X has 2 apps you can assign to each bottom corner of the lock screen, which is where I put my GCam. Both phones have double tap power button to turn on camera shortcuts. LG also has a “Context Awareness” feature, which lets you adjust your sound profile, Bluetooth, wifi settings automatically based on your location. Also lets you find your parking spot. Neat in theory, but I didn’t use it much for concerns about battery drain (did not test to see if it really drained much). LG has a “Floating bar” you can turn on, which is a little tab which gives you shortcuts to apps that you can set, audio controls, screen capture, quick contacts. I could see this being really useful! I didn’t realize til just now writing this that we could set our own apps though, so I haven’t tested it to see if I’d actually use it. Finally, the G8X has a desktop mode, which I unfortunately don’t have access to. I can imagine this being useful in certain situations.
LG's previous app gesture
One big complaint that I have a big reason I was tempted to ditch the LG. The “previous app” gesture is completely busted on the LG. I won’t talk about it much here as I’ve already documented it elsewhere. In short, it’s completely unreliable and only works the way you’d expect it to work like 30% of the time. It is infuriating and makes me want to chuck out the windows at times. I’ve stopped using the gesture entirely and just open the Recent Tabs instead, which over time adds up a decent amount of time. The Pixel has no such problem. Generally the LG is also buggier than the Pixel, with jankier animations, turning off out of nowhere, sometimes getting stuck on the Recent Apps screen, completely going unresponsive at times – the latter three problems being quite rare, but they’ve happened.
Pixel power menus
Emergency info, power off, restart, Google Pay, Google Home devices. No longer has screenshot. LG power menu: Power off, power off and restart. Pixel definitely wins here.
Volume menus
Pixel has media volume slider, notifications toggle, Live Transcribe, and a shortcut to an audio settings overlay. LG has a context-sensitive volume slider (media volume slider when there’s audio playing, call volume during a call, notification volume otherwise), and a drop-down menu for individually controlling the different types of volumes. If you don’t want a context-sensitive slider, you can also set it to by default open just the one type. Pixel wins here for me: though the context sensitive slider can be useful, Live Transcribe is a pretty neat feature. Pixel also lets me control both notifications (Toggle) and media volume slider within one tap, whereas the LG only lets me change (in one tap) whichever context sensitive option is available at the time, otherwise I’d have to open the menu.
Overall, LG has a lot of features crammed in, but I rarely if ever use any of them. They are functionally bloatware for me. LG does have some genuinely useful software quirks like double tap status bar to sleep, the Floating Bar (I guess), and the lock screen shortcuts, but I have never been so aggravated with a phone before in my life with the previous app gesture and other bugs that I have to give Google the win here. (Also, reliable frequent software updates, less bloatware, and other useful features like Call Screening, Live Transcribe, Now Playing). The caveat is I haven’t used the Pixel long enough to see the bugs present in the Pixel.
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Default launchers

Google uses the Pixel Launcher. Very minimal flexibility, but it is pretty slick to use with great animations. Google search bar on the bottom, At A Glance (temperature, date, calendar events) at the top, Google feed to the left. You can’t adjust icon packs or grid size. App drawer showing frequently used apps at the top, and the rest of the apps in alphabetical order in a scrolling pile/list. LG has their own launcher with more flexibility (screen swipe effect, icon shape, grid size, option for left swipe to be Google feed or LG’s whatever feed). Unfortunately LG’s app drawer is truly horrendous, a horizontally moving multipaged mess that doesn’t automatically sort (if you add an app, you need to manually sort alphabetically to get them all alphabetical again). I never know which page I am on (there is an indicator at the bottom, but still) and thus it takes me far longer than it should to find an app I’m looking for. Just give me a scrolly bar!
Either way, both launchers aren’t great (except for animations -they’re both slick) and you should really use some 3rd party launcher instead. I use Microsoft Launcher personally, which has some janky animations but lots of great functionality. Nova of course is another popular option with even more customization.
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Always On Display

Pixel Always On Display displays 5 notification icons, time, date, weather, battery. No customization. LG G8X lets you customize the home screen quite a bit (you can add your own images, change aspects of the format, displays time, date, battery but only displays 3 notification icons. Has quick icons you can swipe to access to eg. turn on flashlight, change songs, etc. The Pixel’s is dimmer than the LG’s, which I think I prefer. The LG’s is very bright at night when I’m trying to sleep. Finally, picking up the Pixel will wake it up and bring it to the lock screen. Picking up the LG does nothing.
Kind of a toss up. At first I was leaning toward the LG for its flexibility, but the Pixel’s 5 notification icons are frankly more useful to me. I also like the dimmer AOD of the Pixel. If you’ve got the Dual Screen, you’re almost never even going to see the AOD on the LG.
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Performance

Okay, so I realize that “opening apps and web pages in quick succession” is not something anyone ever does in real life. That being said, I think there is a little bit of merit to it.
Another reason I was thinking of switching away from the LG G8X was that this supposedly high end Snapdragon 855 didn’t feel nearly as quick or snappy as I thought it would. A definite improvement from my Moto Z Play, but also not quite the blazing fast speed I was expecting? So I did a ridiculously unscientific speed test between the two. Keep in mind the following caveats:
- MY LG G8X is 4 months old
- LG G8X has 111gb used of 128gb, Pixel has 75.14gb used of 128gb.
- Apps are close to parity but not quite
- I love reading about tech, but have not myself owned too many products. I am not a professional reviewer by any means, and have never really owned any high end phones (I had an iPhone 4 when it came out, the next “highest end” phone I’ve owned would be this LG G8X). So eg. with displays, I’m not the best at judging.
- I only got the dual screen a day before I got the Pixel, so most of my LG G8X impressions are from Dual Screen use. I’ve also used the Dual Screen for a bit since getting it, so I do have thoughts in its own section.
- I did comparisons in two different scenarios: 1st scenario, both phones were restarted, full battery. 2nd run, both phones had been on and used over a period of about 48 hours without turning them off. LG G8X was at 70% and Pixel was at 100%. Pixel was used generally much more than the LG phone was all day. The reason for doing it both after a fresh restart and after a few days on is that I had noticed that my LG seemed to perform worse after several days, and seemed to be better after a fresh restart.
1st run
With both phones freshly restarted and at the same battery percentage, geeeeeeeeeeeeeenerally the LG G8X was faster at opening apps than the Pixel. But honestly not as frequently as I was expecting. The LG G8X was generally able to open more intensive apps a bit faster than the Pixel. I’ve attached the “stats” here. In short, the LG was able to open 12 apps less than half a second faster than the Pixel, whereas the Pixel was able to open 9 apps less than half a second faster than the LG. The LG was able to open 8 apps more than half a second faster than the Pixel, and the Pixel was able to open 6 apps more than half a second faster than the LG. The phones opened 7 websites equally quickly. In terms of websites, the LG was able to open 23 websites faster than the Pixel, and the Pixel was able to open 9 websites slightly faster than the LG. They opened 3 websites at the same speed.
The most egregious thing here was the Pixel completely smoked the LG in terms of keeping app and websites in memory. It wasn’t even remotely close. Even before I got the Pixel I had noticed my LG seemed to be dropping apps quickly, but it wasn’t clear how quick it was until I directly compared these two phones. On my first run, after loading tons of Chrome tabs, both phones had to reload 80 days (the most recent app). After that, the LG continued to consistently reload apps, whereas the Pixel was able to load at least 7 apps without having to reload before I stopped testing.
2nd run
At this point I had both phones on for about 48 hours and had used my Pixel for about 3 hours that day (then charged to 100%) and then used my LG for about 2 hours right before testing it (battery about 70% when I started testing). I cleared all the apps from memory. I have no clue if the battery difference contributed or what, but the results completely flipped around, and quite dramatically. The Pixel was able to open apps slightly faster by <0.5s than the LG with 38 apps. The LG was slightly faster by >0.5s than the Pixel with 10 apps. The Pixel was noticeably >0.5s faster than the LG with 8 apps, and the LG was noticeably faster >0.5s than the Pixel with 6 apps. They were equally fast at opening 17 apps.
Really striking results. I rarely turn off my phone, which is maybe why I’ve been feeling my LG gets sluggish pretty easily? Clear something about keeping the LG on for periods of time causes… stuff… to build up, and the Pixel completely smoked the LG in terms of app opening on the second run. That being said, the <0.5s speed advantages really are quite miniscule, could very much be due to margin of error from my tapping, and of course there are always a million variables impacting how quickly an app opens up. But still, the Pixel is no slouch with its SD 765.
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Gaming

I also ran the Dolphin emulator on The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker and Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance. Both phones performed equally well, hitting 29-30 fps for Wind Waker and 59-60fps for Fire Emblem consistently. Genshin Impact ran a bit smoother on the LG than the LG (and the default setting for LG was “Medium” graphics, while for the Pixel was “Low”.) Both phones had lots of frame drops. I’ve included some screen recordings of Genshin Impact, both ran at medium settings, as well as the Dolphin games at default settings, using each respective phone’s default screen recorders. I’m not sure why the LG recording is such miserable quality (and muted), they both visually looked the same while actually playing the game. Similarly, I have no clue why the Pixel recording made the voices all echoey, they sound fine normally. Similarly, with the Dolphin emulator, normally Wind Waker is able to hold 29-30 pretty well, I suspect also running the screen recorder simultaneously caused it to drop frames. I repeated the Dolphin emulation after resetting the phone, and I still got frame rate drops. But uh, yeah, the Pixel also held its framerate better with the screen recorder than the LG did (normally they’re both good at holding the framerate).
Using Dolphin to emulate Xenoblade was a completely different story. Through the opening sequence, both phones (and my laptop) hiccupped at the same places. That being said, outside of those hiccup spots in cutscenes (and one area with a larger concentration of enemies), the Pixel 4a 5G was mostly able to maintain 30fps. Exploring Colony 9 was a smooth 30fps throughout the city. The LG G8X hiccupped in those cutscenes, but in other places where the Pixel was 30fps, the LG G8X was chugging along at 15-25fps. Most notably this occurred while exploring Colony 9. I have no clue what’s going on here, I didn’t actually expect the Pixel to perform so well here, or the LG G8X to perform so poorly. I tried walking around Colony 9 again when my phone cooled down a bit and it performed better, but quickly tanked back down to ~20fps within 15 seconds. I suspect LG throttles its phone pretty hard?
Overall, shockingly, I have to give the Pixel the win here. It’s no comparison. You can check out the gameplay vids yourself. I don’t know if I have a lemon of an LG G8X or what. If anyone else is able to emulate Xenoblade on their LG G8X, let me know how it performs for you. Is my phone a lemon? Or did LG just optimize their phone extremely poorly? (ALSO Apologies for the terrible resolution for the LG recorder, I didn’t realize you could change the resolution to full HD til my rerecording after the phone had cooled down).
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Camera

I thought the LG’s camera was fantastic coming from the Moto Z Play. Then I got the Pixel! GCam does help, but unfortunately you can’t set it to the double-tap-power button shortcut. The LG camera app does have some merits (lots of flexibility in image settings if you have the time to tweak settings to take a photo), but for a quick point and shoot it just doesn’t compare to the Pixel a lot of the time. That being said, I feel the LG actually sometimes takes more accurate photos? If I take a photo of something drab and dull, the LG captures it pretty accurately, whereas the Pixel takes a far nicer looking photo but doesn’t look like the drab reality. The Pixel though also takes much nicer, realistic photos of nice vibrant things, whereas the LG’s photos look more washed out. For day shots, or shots facing light, the… dynamic range? Is that what it’s called? For the Pixel is far better than the Pixel. The LG will blow out eg. the details in clouds (ie. Clouds will just appear white and uniform), while the Pixel will preserve the detail and colour of the clouds. For night shots, the LG actually takes better non-Night mode night shots than the Pixel. But the Pixel’s Night Mode absolutely smokes LG’s Night Mode, no questions asked. LG with GCam’s Night Sight helps a lot though. The LG’s selfie camera focuses off into the distance instead of your face so is functionally useless. Finally, I don’t take videos so won’t really comment on it. LG’s wide camera is a lot wider than the Pixel’s, which is a plus for LG.
Overall, the Pixel has a better camera but the LG isn’t too shabby, and sometimes takes nicer shots than the Pixel. Non-Night mode shots are actually better on the LG, but usually Pixel’s night mode turns out better looking. I’ll let the photos do the talking, where I have comparison shots between the LG (with the LG cam as well as the GCam), vs. the Pixel. I’m a lot more interested in shots with challenging lighting, thus the weird dark shots. Unfortunately the weather isn’t great here so no nice outdoor shots. Also unfortunately I have now noticed that a lot of them are blurrier than I’d like – I am too lazy to change them now! I may add more photos to the albums later.
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Dual screen

I just picked this up a day before the Pixel came in. I was pretty excited for it because there are definitely times where I want to multitask, or where I’ve got split screen open trying to copy some text from what window to the other but the keyboard pops up and blocks my view.
Unfortunately, the dual screen implementation feels far more half-hearted than that of what I’m hearing about the Surface Duo. The two screens feel more like two separate machines with a tenuous link, than like two parts of the same unit. At the same time, the 2nd screen doesn’t have the same functionality as the main screen: you can’t split screen it, you can’t change the launcher, the home screen is not continuous at all with the main screen’s home screen, and when you throw one screen’s contents over to the other screen, it often feels like a mystery what will occupy the screen whose contents you just threw over to the other screen.
Using one screen as a keyboard for the other screen in theory sounds really neat, but it only works with the LG keyboard, which has an embarrassingly tiny dictionary with terrible autocorrect suggestions. Even when it works with the LG keyboard, when you tap in a text field on the top screen, the phone does this janky animation where the keyboard first shows up on the top screen before jumping down to the bottom screen. If you tap on a text field on the bottom screen, it won’t by default push the bottom screen contents up and open the keyboard on the bottom screen (which could be what some people want, I guess).
Very, very, very few apps make good use of the dual screens, even with the 3rd party Wide Mode app which forces any app into Wide Mode (which just turns apps into Tablet Mode rather than giving unique content to each screen). The LG Whale browser seems to be the best app to make use of the dual screen (you can open links in one screen on the other screen) – that being said, I’d much rather use other browsers. Chrome does a reasonable job, and you can open taps from one screen in the other screen. I can’t find a way to get Youtube to open a video on one screen and me scrolling through comments/searching through other videos on the other screen.
Overall something I really wish they would have incorporated was, say, opening a link in one app and the internet browser automatically opening in the other screen, or at least giving me the option to open in the other screen! Say, a friend sends me a link to a website and then I open the website in the opposite screen automatically and then continue talking to my friend on the first screen. Not a feature that is currently implemented.
The LG Gamepad mode seems like a great idea: the top screen acts as the screen, the bottom screen acts as the gamepad. Supposedly the games will detect it as a native gamepad. Unfortunately, it was not compatible with Stadia, Xbox GamePass Streaming, or Dolphin Emulator. It was compatible with Final Fantasy V and PPSSPP. Games like Genshin Impact, a game without controller support absolutely begging for it, work really well with it as you can also create a custom gamepad with buttons that correspond to tapping areas on the game screen. I was most looking forward to it working with Stadia, Gamepass and the emulators though (I don’t play too many native Android games) so I definitely am pretty bummed.
My biggest complaint though is there just simply is no easy way to type with the dual screen vertical. Though I’d like to make use of the dual screen features sometimes for the occasional time I want to multitask, I sadly discovered the few times I would use the dual screen to its potential does not warrant having the carry this colossal phone around with its incredibly uncomfortable typing position. The obvious solution would be to have a “wide mode” split keyboard, which actually does appear if you Wide Mode an app and then use the keyboard. But from what I can tell, there is no way to “wide mode” a keyboard when you’re using the dual screens as, well, dual screens. On single screen phones I usually type with two hands, whereas I can’t type with one hand on this phone because the keyboard only shows up on one screen, and the other screen is in the way. On this phone, the only way to type is to hold the phone with one hand, and use a finger on the other hand to peck at or swipe the keys.
Overall, I think I like a dual screen in theory, but LG didn’t execute it very well at all. Instead of feeling like an extension of the main screen, it feels like its entirely own entity and doesn’t always flow well with the main screen. The absolute paucity of apps making use of the dual screen to its full potential is unfortunate. The biggest culprit is that typing in dual screen vertical mode (The way I use it most frequently) is extremely uncomfortable. All these drawbacks don’t make keeping the dual screen on worthwhile, as someone who only occasionally requires the dual screen.
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Conclusion

If you’ve made it this far, thanks for reading! This wound up being nearly 7000 words… wasn’t expecting it to be, like, even a quarter that long. I'll be happy if even one person reads through 50% of this.
I think the Pixel demonstrates that spec sheets really are not everything. Either that, or I got a lemon of an LG G8X (not outside the realm of possibility). With the caveat of the LG having much more fuller storage and being used for 4 more months, despite the LG’s supposedly better chip, performance is objectively pretty similar between the two phones in terms of app opening and opening websites. The Pixel was actually beating out the LG pretty consistently after both phones were used for 48 hours. Both phones run Genshin Impact kind of miserably, and run Gamecube games on Dolphin without a hitch. The Pixel was significantly better than the LG in emulating the Wii. The Pixel consistently destroyed the LG in terms of memory management. The Pixel’s smaller battery capacity of 3800 mAh outlasted the LG’s 4000 mAh battery, even when the LG was brand new. The camera in the Pixel is far better than the LG. The software experience of the Pixel is smoother and less buggy (and certainly less frustrating). The fingerprint sensor is a tossup for me. The audio is maybe better in the LG, but I can’t really tell. Screens are similar. The LG does “feel” more premium, but I do prefer the lightness of the Pixel. The one definitely advantage the LG has over the Pixel is the expandable storage.
Needless to say, I think I am going to keep the Pixel. I didn’t want to leave the LG G8X community behind though without giving a good reason to do so, and I hope this 6000+ word document with accompanying Dropbox folder of photos, screenshots, and screen recordings explain why I did so, and also demonstrate that spec sheets aren’t everything. I’ll probably try to sell the LG G8X + Dual Screen, but taking a look at how long these phones stay on Facebook Marketplace/eBay, I’m not very hopeful I’ll be able to sell it at even a fraction of what I bought it for. Anyway, thanks for reading.
I spent way too much time on this.
Also I haven’t proofread this, so I’m sure there are mistakes abound.
Also I really need to get working on actually important stuff. Thanks for reading!
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Much needed tl;dr (Which is still long):

- Was getting tired of LG G8X's weight, previous app gesture being busted, standby drain, general glitchiness, slower performance than expected, so I picked up a Pixel 4a 5G.
- Did lots of tests which you can check out in the Dropbox
- I subjectively like Pixel's camera, speakers, microphone, default screen colour balance, software cleanliness better.
- Really surprisingly, my specific days-old Pixel 4a 5G outperforms my 4 month old LG G8X in app opening and website opening (unless I freshly restart both phones). REALLY surprisingly, my Pixel ran circles around the LG in Wii emulation, and was equally competent at Gamecube emulation and Genshin Impact
- I will be keeping the Pixel. I will try to sell the LG G8X but am not hopeful. I will miss LG G8X's expandable storage but not much else.

We all know how much the SS loves their symbolism. It’s plastered all over the place. The T in Texaco the T in T-Mobile. The Symbolism is what DC was designed around. If you don’t know what I’m talking about you are in the wrong forum. It’s a simple fact. The secret societies CANNOT stop with their symbolism; it’s as if they don’t care or don’t have a choice.
Here are some links that simply communicate how important the Phoenix is to the SS and where it comes from. It comes from the book of the dead. Some say the Phoenix represents the devil. I think it’s Double or triple entendre but it all makes sense. At any rate it’s obvious this symbol is greatly respected and revered by the SS.
https://gnosticwarrior.com/symbol-phoenix.html
NWO connections: https://exposingbabylon.wordpress.com/2012/12/30/the-rising-of-the-phoenix-symbol-of-the-coming-antichrist-world-powe
https://www.libertytothecaptives.net/phoenix_bird.html
http://whale.to/b/phoenix_s.html
Something was terribly wrong when I arrived at the Phoenix House in Citra FL, but I couldn’t put my finger on it. I was detoxing off opiates and benzodiazepines. I sat in detox for 16 days waiting to find a rehab. Idk why it took so long (I say sarcastically) as I had a decent BCBS HMO at the time. I was growing impatient and restless in the detox facility (meridian Gainesville FL). I didn’t want to check myself out even though I could any Time I wanted. I wanted to get better. I wanted to get off opiates.
A lady came in one day and she told me about The Phoenix House. I had heard of it before so that was good! My pastor (SG) had mentioned the Phoenix House to me 2-3 different times. My pastor was the first person I confided to that I had a prescription drug problem. He mentioned PH that first conversation. He said his close friend David F. Was the director and it sounded like a real good place to go if I was serious about getting sober.
The representative told me about The walking trails and the recording studio. She told me about the pool and the gym and the horse therapy. After she got done describing the place to me it sounded almost too good to be true. I remember crying because I was out of ideas and out of hope. And here she was with this awesome opportunity/place I could go to. Not only that but my pastor recommended it and his good friend David ran the whole place. I felt lucky and happy to get to go. I mean it had been mentioned before and what a coincidence here’s a rep right in front of me (the mind control works subliminally and subtlety it’s not in your face).
Knowing what my treatment was in detox they decided for me to come the next day.
When I arrived at the Phoenix House I was given a urinalysis. They knew my treatment at detox but when I arrived they acted surprised I had Benzo’s in my system so they immediately sent me to another detox (the vines Ocala) which was mental patients mixed in with the drug addicts. It was 2 days of walking nightmares. People shitting down their leg walking the halls, vomiting at breakfast/lunch/dinner by random detoxing addicts.
A doctor came to see me. dr. Baboo. There was a big language barrier but I communicated “I want out of this fucking place ASAP” meaning no more benzo’s start the taper off the Suboxone... “I want to go to rehab doc”... so after 2-3 days I was released to the Phoenix House ( on my own recognizance I could leave if I wanted to).
Obviously my first encounter didn’t go well; they put me in the nut house for 2-3. For the record I now firmly believe that these places (detox/ICU’s) can help people but I believe I was sent there as a punishment and or as a way to make mentally unstable a little bit at a time.
So I get back to the PH and I’m ready to do what they tell me... I knew not to do what comes naturally to me which is to fight / go against the grain etc...
I met my counselor, a guy who graduated from a correspondence school of some kind. He asked me soooooo many questions. There were pages and pages of documents / “standard questions”. He could type well and was really recording a lot. We were in his office for 3-5 hours doing my intake. He sat there with tobacco dip in his mouth typing away asking me questions. Oddly I do not remember what they were. Asking me about my whole life. Family parents brothers sisters jobs dreams aspirations etc.. . He was in great shape, ripped even. He had a tattoo of a snake wrapping around his arm/forearm. His muscles were the only impressive thing about him. He got fired 1-2 days later for “battery strike or touch” against his GF while at a gas station. This happened the day after I told the head counselor I didn’t want to work with him anymore. Something was just off about him. He got angry with me for finding a stress ball that used to belong to him or something? He acted like a child, I thought he was joking around at first but nope...
After my intake he told me that my problem was grandiosity. He made a point of telling me this.
The first day was very disillusioning. There were no horses for horse therapy (you could see horses but they were about a half mile away) The swimming pool was closed and the gym was also closed for repairs. There were no walking trails but you could walk around the edge of a large field if you wanted to. The recording studio did exist but we could only use it for 30 minutes once a week. When I went to eat I felt very uncomfortable. They served us some kind of meat that had been cut in large chunks and you could see where the hair had once come through the skin/meat of the animal. They said it was cow but I suspect it was horse. It was really really really horribly shitty Cafeteria food.
I did not know until I got there that there would be 200 to 250 department of corrections inmates there as well. They were housed together and were there for 6-18months each as an alternative to a harsher scenario. I was part of a small group called the private pay group which was reserved for people who were there by choice and had insurance or were paying out of pocket.
Nobody told me about the criminal element or about the large number of them. They got me all prepped for this awesome amazing experience. They lied to me about the facilities and the general vibe/reality of the place. Nothing was as they said and I felt as though I’d been lied to.
The first fellow patient I met had a tattoo of an all seeing eye on top the pyramid in the middle of his back. I told him I was an opiate addict and that I used to be on the first Silk Road as a buyer.. he said loudly and in my face “ sound like a garden-variety dope addict me” there’s nothing special about you. All I could think as I looked him up and down was “I’m more special than you”
They talked me into staying. Mike G, our main counselor, (who was actually just a technician who was in school) played a big role taking me aside to talk to me and bring up arguments on why I should stay.
So I did what they suggested. I stayed. Every morning Mike G would say to us “ohhhh you guys I was hanging with my best friend Troy (or ) his best friend Jamie. He regaled us with stories about Alcoholics Anonymous and how that simple program could save each one of us if I could “just get on board with having another person run my life” for me. You see it was literally said to me “Once you understand that that door knob will do a better job running your life than you you are on the right track”. We were to give ourselves a vote of no confidence. It was my doing that ended with me being an addict. I was the one in rehab feeling like the I was at the last house on the block.
It went on like that day after day. Mike even told us that when you wake up, right after you wake up that is the best time to subliminally message yourself as your brain is in a meditative state from sleeping. It was in the mornings right after we had broken up that he would talk to us in a soft voice, mind control shit. He hit us utilizing several different soft mind control techniques. Repetition, a cool temperate soothing yet confident voice. “I’m so happy you guys and I want you to be happy like I am”. The message was “get a sponsor, let him run your life for a little while until you can take the reigns again”
I went along with all of it. I shared intimate things I had done and had done to me. One patient claimed he had burnt down an old historic Freemason Lodge in Live Oak Florida. We had no internet so there was no fact checking. It was a lie that was told to get people like me talking.
I had no idea that there were SS Freemasons around me in the rehab. They were there as actual patients and I became “friends” with them.
It was Mike G who had the knowledge I wanted. I wanted the peace and confidence he had.
Every day something weird happened. Something to test my treatment, to test my reactions to things. Food stolen, clothes taken/gone through.
The Indian doctor from the detox facility was also the doctor at the Phoenix House. He put me on Zoloft and Wellbutrin. I spoke with him in depth about my upset stomach/opiate detox stuff and very clearly told him “please do not off label prescribe me something for my stomach I want to address it directly” ... he put me on more psychological meds stating the side effects can be constipation” (I didn’t know this until weeks later when I left and had internet to look stuff up)
Any chance my SS friends would get they would remind me “you’re not that special”.. there were 4-5 That I know of but perhaps more were in there with me.
I saw 3 of them leaving David’s office one day and they were smiling and laughing.. they seemed chummy like old friends with inside jokes. I asked what they were doing but I was blown off and got reminded I don’t know what’s going on and I’m not special etc etc...
At the Phoenix House We were supposed to be learning Cognitive behavior therapy or CBT for short. That was supposed to be the foundation on which we built our game plan. But instead we got fed AA hard core every morning day after day. We did the CBT therapy with Yonner, a very nice counselor who I thought made a lot of sense.
Eventually I bought in. I hadn’t drank alcohol in 4-5 years but I was convinced Anybody can recover from anything with Alcoholics Anonymous AND A SPONSOR. I actually still believe AA works great. It’s the people who have perverted it for their own purposes.
I talk a lot. And I talked a lot in rehab. I don’t know what I said but I’ve always been a conspiracy theorist. I’ve just always had my eyes and ears open to that stuff since reading The Biggest Secret back in 1998 or 1999.
Any weird vibes I got in rehab were dismissed by me. I did not think people would or could organize in such a way as to target others and I thought everybody in there was there for the same reason I was which was to get better.
When it came time for me to leave they wanted me to move to Ocala FL ( I grew up in Gainesville the next town over). There is a halfway house there run by a wealthy business man in Ocala named Larry. I pretty much refused to go to Ocala. I know the town well and I didn’t think it would be a good place to make a living/enjoy life. I’ve always been big into clubbing and good sound systems. I DJ’d for 15+ years. I remember telling Mike G “there are no clubs there there’s no sound systems in the whole city. Even the drugs in Ocala suck, and the ladies there suck”... in my mind I would go anywhere they told me. Just not there. I always had a weird feeling about that city. I never liked it. I never stop to think about why I just always hated Ocala.
What I now know is that it was VITAL I move there. Mike spent hours on me. Telling me how “I can tell you are about to help a lot of people if you choose to goto Ocala”... What he was saying is other people in rehab we’re going to make the same decision once they saw I made it. I remember saying over and over to him I just really don’t like that town I will move anywhere else in the country just not there. He even got mad at me. Constantly reminding me that I can’t make good decisions and that I needed to not be so grandiose. Who was I that I was too good for Ocala? “If you can get sober and stay sober in Ocala you can get sober and stay sober anywhere”.. finally I gave in. It was the person I looked up to you the most at the treatment center who coerced me and coaxed me in to going to Ocala.
After treatment Mike told me he had to wait two years until him and I could hang out together like be in a car together or go grab coffee. It was a few weeks after he told me that that I saw him breaking this role with other people who had been in treatment with me.
I tried. I tried really hard and I gave it my best shot. But I couldn’t find any real friends. Mike’s best friends who he looked up to so much were there in Ocala. They told me I needed to open up more. To tell people more personal stuff about myself and that’s how I would get closer friendships. I made a few loose friends. A girl who I became quite Platonically close to. A few others from rehab. The odd thing was they would Randomly tell me “you’re not that special” .. I didn’t think anything of it because I thought they were incorporating AA in with what they were saying... “ you’re not special” is not an Aa thing. It was a me thing. They didn’t say it to anybody else certainly not to themselves. This fact was lost on me until just A few months ago.
I don’t know when the phone hacking and group stalking started but I know some of the signs looking back on it.
I got a new phone after rehab. My SS all seeing eye tattoo Friend gave me a ride to Walmart and sat there with me while I set it up on Walmart’s (unsecured gang stalked) WiFi. I was probably connected to his hotspot and didn’t know it.
I had a girl get slowly dangled in front of me and I lowered my standards to date her. She was cute-ish but I really dug her personality. She reminded me of a sadistic Pam from The Office. I was her Jim I guess.
After we started dating things changed. She talked about gang stalking often. I’d never heard of it. The cleaning lady at the call center we worked at made comments about people watching from the tree’s / roof tops. Of course I wrote her off as crazy (she acted kinda crazy so whatever).. “have you ever heard of it, gang stalking??” Jessica would say to me. I did not pay her much mind.
When I was in the shower at our house I caught her ex boyfriend sneaking around in the side yard talking to her through a window. There was another time he was spying on me in the laundry room from outside. She told me he had black mailed her. Had her do something gross, video taped it,.. and threatened to release it.. Jessica lied one evening and said “I love you” to me.:: I could feel the lie and I could hear the lie. But I wanted to believe it so I foolishly went Along. . Jessica’s BF moved out of her house and I moved in. Soon after we got together she quit her job making 12/hr 40hrs a week. I was supporting both of us and she was laying around ”depressed”. The weird shit went on with her Ex creeping around and she started going out (presumably to Cheat on me). Eventually one day I demanded to look at her cell phone (we had an open cell phone policy due to crappy previous relationships). She absolutely freaked out and acted guilty as all hell, so that was the end of that”. We were living together and not dating.
Anytime I needed advice I would goto my sponsor. He was supposed to help me get sober but like everybody else I went to my sponsor for all sorts of advice. This was a huge mistake.
One day before she turned into a gross lazy bum, jessica and I were talking and I told her “I have a feeling that I’m going to find a job working with large amounts of people and traveling some how” I also mentioned how I really wanted to goto Detroit and check it out (I love techno). She made a big deal about national pizza day, and pointed out all the celebs who posted about pizza.
One day I was at the Burger King next to our house and a man walked in while I was getting my soda. He took 2-3 close up pics of me with his cell phone. I reacted by saying “yo dude what’s up” He told me he was a police officer and I fit the description of somebody they were looking for. I remembered it ruffled my feathers but I didn’t do anything other than talk to Jessica about it. It Seemed unprofessional
I believe Jessica was video taping me constantly but I have no idea for sure. When you are gang stalked they constantly either record or stream you... that or they want you to believe that’s what’s happening. It’s to mess with your head. I was unaware of anything like that going on at that time There were times when she spoke to me so strangely “do you love pizza? She would make me Say ‘I love pizza’ “ ....that made no sense at the time Her ex didn’t make sense he still had power over her... anyways, I left and moved in with my all seeing eye friend.
It’s worth mentioning because I couldn’t handle Jessica drinking behind my back/ talking to guys I didn’t know... I ended up relapsing while dating her. It was bad, shooting coke and heroin. I curled up in a ball one night having what I think was a hEart attack.I knew I didn’t want to go out like that. Not at all and it scared she shit out of me.
I lost my job at the call center, had used and was living with Jessica broken up.
That’s when I found the petition job. Somebody (an SS friend who was suuuiper buddy buddy with Mike G and the others) suggested to me that I may do well at it. So I took his suggestion and tried my luck at signature gathering. I was really good at it and it paid quite well. I saved up money and bought a car, by the time the campaigns in FL ended I had some money saved up, I was sober and single.
The person I worked for invited me to a job that I now know I wasn’t supposed To succeed at. I was being set up to fail. Believe it or not, I was asked to travel to Detroit!! I was to collect signatures on petitions (awesome right!) In the dead of winter. I drove up to Michigan in the winter... knowing What I know now about the petition business and everything? Nobody does that nobody goes and works Michigan in the dead of winter. But me being me I made the best of it. I slept in our office, showered at planet fitness.. eventually the signatures went up in price (when the other pro’s came to work) and I got some additional local jobs (in Ann Arbor I worked a Petiton to save a local corner lot by putting in a public park instead of a sky rise)
My coordinator was setting me up to fail. He was taking money from me, wearing my clothes, eating my food... he stiffed me for $2300.00 (which was 6-9 days of work) at the end of the campaign.
Jessica was the one who implanted the idea of gang stalking into my head. My coordinator Josh was tasked with gaslighting me about trump, Qanon and the petition business as a whole.
I cannot explain how or why... but it was all a set up. The girl was systematically brought closer and closer to me at the call center, my sponsor gave me the horrible advice to move in with her while at the same time saying “something isn’t right”.... I worked a job in Baltimore and Ohio for other coordinators doing other Peritions then came back to Ocala to be near recovery and my friends.
I was in a meeting and mentioned “I would like to be more sexually open”. I’ve always been reserved sexually and I was just having a moment of honesty with some friends in AA. I went on a Plenty of Fish date, hooked up with this girl for about a week, and contracted trichinosis. I got that cleared up just in time foe Kathi and Matt to hit me up on FB. They ( what a coincidence) wanted to see if I would come sleep with Kathi while Matt (her husband) watched. I slept on it and said “sure what the hell I just said I wanted to be more open”. Of course I thought I said this in a private meeting Nobody would betray my anonymity especially not in a place like alcoholics anonymous and certainly not in a city at sacred As Ocala when it comes to recovery.
I knew Matt from 10-15 years earlier. Kat, his wife I knew loosely as well. She did chaturbate cam model masturabation/sex with her husband on there it’s worth mentioning . I knew Matt because I happened to date his ex girlfriend; Something Matt never forgave me for. He pretended to be cool with me but something was off with him. He was high on dope or meth alll the time and was ordering stuff off the DN..
So there I was, really Fing the hell out of his wife. It was so weird. He pretended to enjoy it and told Kat it was what he wanted. I was obviously Emasculating him unintentionally and he was obviously loosing her right in front of his eyes. Or so I thought.
I was led to believe Matt was horribly abusive and saw many tangible signs. I told them I could only do the deed a few times and I couldn’t hang after that. I know myself and I knew I would start getting attached/catching feelings. I told them this very plainly and clearly.
Her and I were talking on the phone quite regularly so it didn’t take long for me to talk with him on the phone and tell him that I was done and I could not do It anymore. He got upset and was very insistent. This man literally insisted that I continue to come over there and bang his wife. They turned me onto App Snitch for Android and a few other apps. I didn’t know it at the time But they were both extensive computer hackers. They had their laptop set up as a Wi-Fi repeateFake hotspot. They ordered stuff off the DN on the regular. He dozed her with some strong benzo type substance one evening and the next day I told her “ I am 100% done I cannot hang around him or you and watch him do these things anymore”
I told her if she wanted help I would help her get away and I even committed to six months but I didn’t pressure her at all.
She left him and came with me to Saint Pete Florida where I was living working Petitions. She started working with me. As soon as she moved in weird things started happening. My roommate started asking questions about her Wi-Fi router. She was always on her phone but insisted she was not talking to anybody even though I suggested she get in touch with friends etc. because I’m not a controlling person.
This is officially when I noticed the gang stalking for the first time. It started with my phone.
All of a sudden the screen cast would come on out of nowhere. I did not know anything about cell phones or operating systems but I was raised around computers ... so every step of the way I’ve had to research my ass off which is not easy when you’re dealing with this subject and trying to work 50 hours a week. I noticed people driving by our house really slow and I recognize their faces as people she was friends with on Facebook or so I thought. My roommate also took note of the weirdness with the people and the wifi etc... It became obvious to me Kathy was still talking to somebody and when I busted her she admitted she had been talking to Matt which I understood and told her it was weird to lie to me about it.
While this is going on I had mutual friends inviting us to shows, camp outs and all this other stuff but I could tell it was directed at her and not me so it made me feel uncomfortable.
One day after days of research I came to realize she was channeling all the data from my phone to her phone using Bluetooth Wi-Fi hotspot somehow. She had been lying to me about talking to Matt and I caught her flirting with a young young boy or so I thought ( the kid was 16-17 maybe) I didn’t think anybody would go into a relationship cheating their ass off from the beginning. Things got weirder. She would always be looking around as if she were looking for specific people. Sometimes when driving she would start talking loud and intentionally as though we were being recorded. After the weird spy shit with her phone, the hiding talking to guys (I thought it was Matt) and acting as though we were being recorded.... for the longest time I thought she wanted me to believe we were being monitored and recorded. I thought she was gaslighting me to make me believe somebody was listening in to our conversations...
I got upset about the spying shit and literally snapped her phone in two. It caught fire instantly. I burnt and cut my hand. It was when I broke her phone In two that I realized, she was communicating with more than one person. She got sooooooo depressed with the loss of her phone. I mean she wasn’t even mad she was naturally sad and depressed as all hell. It was obvious I had taken something from her. She stopped keeping up her appearance as much. It was as if she didn’t have an audience any longer.
While working people would often take pics of me / us because We were working Petitions to legalize marijuana and people get really excited about that. For the next few months I didn’t really think anything was out of the ordinary. I thought she had been talking with her husband and she was getting acquainted with the new situation as best she could. I kept having unexplainable phone issues. But she was always there telling me I was wrong or being paranoid.
I started watching her more closely. And what I noticed and saw was very strange and unbelievable. She was constantly making hand gestures or hand signals to people who I thought were complete strangers. I came to the conclusion that she was in some kind of swinger sex club of some kind. People would approach her and it was obvious they knew each other. They were sometimes I swear either she passed somebody a note or somebody passed a note to her but I wasn’t sure. She went across the street to a publix while we were working one day. She didn’t come back for a hour saying she got lost in the parking garage.
Things got worse and worse. I kept noticing people driving by at weird times, on her google drive I found weird skins for apps so you can make Snapchat logo look like google translate or tinder look like reddit..
She left work one day and was gone for hours. It was months later I saw her google history doing translations from english to Spanish. “I miss you” and “I love you”.. but this wasn’t to Matt... around that same time she expressed an interest in learning Spanish and I often heard Spanish music playing outside our Airbnb’s.
Speaking of Airbnb’s, we moved out of my friends house because she was uncomfortable with Kathi ... now I know my roommate knew 100% what was going on which explains the whispering conversations she had with Kathi and how she knew ahead of time what was going on. When we moved out of my friends in st Pete, a day or two before was the first time I had ever been followed. They followed us leaving the house and started pointing they cell phones at us. I thought it was people that she knew. You can do things like turn your location settings on with Snapchat and Facebook. I did not know how but it was obvious I had something to do with the cell phones and it was obvious we were being followed they wanted us to know it was done very overtly.
Of course Kat told me I was crazy and she wasn’t doing anything wrong.
The whole time I kept calling my Old sponsor or one of my SS friends. I actually took their advice.
For a long time I could not figure out if Kat was doing these things because she had to or she was obligated to or if she was doing them because she wanted to. I put a key logger on my phone and caught her trying to route the phone as well as turning developer options on. I believe they may have used a Sim card hack or virtual Sim card to hack my phone because the key logger showed my Sim card being removed as well.
I was in the process of dumping her and was preparing to go to California to work. We got an a huge fight and I drove to Ocala. I know that I Should have left her. I don’t know why but I sought the advice from my old sponsor again. He gave me horrible advice but he told me what I wanted to hear I guess. I kept looking at her as a victim not as a perpetrator.
I’ve left out a bunch. I bought her an iPhone which became jailbroken. She had a virtual operating system or a partitioned HD I don’t know but she was hiding Snapchat from me, she was using Poshmark as a dating app.. she had 2-3 Facebook accounts but always only had access to one. I unlocked her account for her and a few days later I couldn’t even find with my FB account. There was always weird stuff going ok with the phones and WiFi network. We were definitely 100% being followed around in st Pete so I moved us inland for a few weeks.
During this time someone Matt and Kathi (or Mathi for short) knew and was close with killed themselves. It was Matt’s close friend and he was a conspiracy theorist who worked for the Eustis Police dept and saw how corrupt they were. He worked IT... It was shortly after I called Matt asking him about the people following us around. I told him his wife knew who they were and I think she had slept with a few of them. Matt said “Kathi would never do that” and that was it. LOL... pffft I believe their friend Troy was a targeted individual. He was a conspiracy theorist and he worked IT for the Eustis Police Department. He shot himself in the head on a park bench. A few months after his death, after seeing what it did to Kathi.. I said “I think Troy may have been in love with you” she replied “I know he was”..
Everything up to this point could be explained by various explanations/excuses like snap chat geo locating, odd behavior or paranoia on my part. But then there was the people following us around hell bent on capturing us with their cell phone cameras. I even thought it might be a game people play with each other like a game swingers play or something.
It wasn’t And it was or is.
They call it The Games or The Game.
When I took Kathi out west that’s when shit Got horrible. We were followed up to North Carolina and they continued to follow us the entire way to LasVegas. In Vegas they were everywhere. It was in Las Vegas I learned for certain of the malicious Bluetooth / WiFi attacks. It was in Las Vegas she slipped and said something about a sex ritual. It was in Las Vegas that she slept with I don’t even know who/what... but I realized she was having sex with other people and pretending to be on her period after so I wouldn’t get near her brutalized personal areas.
She routinely had a Bluetooth device inside of her. I could hear it vibrate from time to time. She had portable batteries that were actually hidden cameras. I threw them all out.
There was always Bluetooth connections happening with my phone I could see it in The bug reports. Large amounts of data would leave my phone. Turning airplane mode on and off made the phone freak out/do weird things.
I bought a hidden camera detector and actually found a fair amount of hidden cameras especially out West. Many hotels have hidden cameras in them especially in Nevada and California.
These people are spying on others using their cell phones and using technology that most people don’t have. This is neighbor spying on neighbor has been spying on Wife. They always had sandbox processes running on top of Waze GPS and my screen mirror was always coming on.
Things went on like this for some time. I don’t even know how many cell phones I went through why did it hurt I think it was around four or five of my own and she went through two or three.
All of this stuff is connected. Kathi was FB friends with some of the people in Ocala I knew from recovery. This one guy in particular I went to for help early on before I knew anything. He ignored me and did nothing to help me. He could’ve told me in five minutes what it took me a year to figure out. That I was dating a group stalking narcissistic sex addict / computer hacker secret society slave or willing participant.
There was a Device installed in our car intergraded with the gps/ LoJack. There were moments I questioned my own sanity as that’s what this was designed to do.
Group stalking is fucking real. It’s a systematic targeting that goes on in such a way to make the target look crazy. It’s systematic ritualistic like abuse. No one person does any real harm. But I’m telling you, in one day If you had 50 to 100 people purposely raise their phones to videotape you without explanation that alone would be very unnerving trust me.
You have to understand I was completely in love with this girl and I did trust her. For a long time I could not figure out if she was being made to do the things she was doing or if she was doing them willingly.
My story gets much worse and quite frankly unbelievable.
The 5-8 “friends” in Ocala (including Mike the counselor) who I loved and trusted... they all stopped talking to me at the exact same time. None of them has given me a reason they just all black balled me. I I never did anything hurtful to anybody in recovery and the way they turned their back on me really hurt like it was meant to.
It took me a longtime to figure out everybody I was working with doing petitions was SS. I was working for the head guy who oversees all of it. He treated me rather well financially speaking. I believe he is in the illuminati and everybody else running around the USA collecting signs are freemasons for the most part.
It was only just a month or two ago I saw everything if that makes sense .. i understood everything.
I feel like I was raised to be secret society fodder. Like I was raised to be a whipping post, to be used, to turn the other cheek.
I was raised Christian and I still believe in God. They do too. It’s why they spy on everybody and try to control literally everything and everybody.
In the end the message was clear. “Have you thought about joining? Have you thought about joining? Have you thought about joining?”
I’m a person of influence. I have a high IQ, I’m funny and I get Along With people when I want to. I used to have a very positive outlook but recently not so much.
I’ve left out many many details. Like an AA friend admitting to being in the SS and admitting they’ve been fucking with me... or the times I thought they were about to murder me.
It took me driving from California the whole way back to Florida with no stereo and no phone on thinking about my entire life to see the truth.
My pastor , my friends, my uncle (he admitted he works for Department of homeland security and knows what gang stalking is). I even suspect my own father was tasked with “raising a Christian family” for to balance out society the way the SS wants it. He left my mom for his side piece the moment I had moved out (he filled his obligation). My sister was still there but being adopted it probably didn’t count.
He has believed everything I’ve said and is bending over backwards to help me right now. Something he’s never done.
There is so much more like my pastor using a jailbroken iPhone.. he also told me we wouldAbsolutely get in touch with somebody from the FBI regarding what happened to me only to backtrack it later. All my Pastor has done is pacify mean and as soon as I started sniffing around the Phoenix house and started talking about psychological operations everybody wants to say I’m absolutely crazy.
I was put in some kind of mind control behavior modification program. It’s part of Michael Aquino’s mind war. He had operation Phoenix is Vietnam and he had The Phoenix Houses in the USA. They’re multi purpose facilities. After all this is a quote from the link below. :
“Phoenix House Academy was designated a “model program” by the U.S. Department of Justice.” :... say whaaaat??
https://www.phoenixhouse.org/our-history/
Phoenix symbol is operation Phoenix is Phoenix House is Phoenixfreemasonry is NWO....
In California they committed me to a mental institution for telling them about Kathi and what she did. All I mentioned was phone hacking and group stalking. I told them I was fine and not a harm To myself or anybody else.. that’s all I said and they fucking Tranquilized me at an advent health hospital in Willits California.
When I got back to FL I tried talking to an ER nurse and an er doctor about what happened. Everything was fine until the doctor went off his shift. The next doctor immediately sent me to another mental institution , livestreams in clermont fl.
My uncle was the head anesthesiologist at Shands now he spies on fellow Americans. My uncle may be the one who put me in this program/whatever it is.
THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO SAY IM DELUSIONAL ARE SECRET SOCIETY SCUM.
I’ve had police officers, lawyers, friends and relatives all tell me in some way shape or form they know I’m Telling the truth and there is nothing wrong with me. They are part of this SS system. It’s Definitely absolutely integrated with the US government. Just recently when I left California I had a federal agent park next to my car and book the hotel room next to mine. When I travel I always have people in the rooms next to me I believe they spy on me with listening devices and maybe a hidden camera or two.
Why am I targeted? I do not know. I do know in the last three years I have spoken with thousands upon thousands upon thousands of fellow citizens and I can safely say I am more special than almost every single one of them. I’m gifted and special and people are drawn to me when I talk. I was in the 110% Percentile growing up and I always do very well At what’s ever I put my mind to.
Why would the SS want so badly for ME to think I’m not special?? All it’s done is made me realize how absolutely amazing and gifted I am. I’ve made it through this and I figured much of it out on my own.
I love all of you even the perps who are about to leave perp-SS comments. :)
MERRY CHRISTMAS.

We all know how much the SS loves their symbolism. It’s plastered all over the place. The T in Texaco the T in T-Mobile. The Symbolism is what DC was designed around. If you don’t know what I’m talking about you are in the wrong forum. It’s a simple fact. The secret societies CANNOT stop with their symbolism; it’s as if they don’t care or don’t have a choice.
Here are some links that simply communicate how important the Phoenix is to the SS and where it comes from. It comes from the book of the dead. Some say the Phoenix represents the devil. I think it’s Double or triple entendre but it all makes sense. At any rate it’s obvious this symbol is greatly respected and revered by the SS.
https://gnosticwarrior.com/symbol-phoenix.html
NWO connections: https://exposingbabylon.wordpress.com/2012/12/30/the-rising-of-the-phoenix-symbol-of-the-coming-antichrist-world-powe
https://www.libertytothecaptives.net/phoenix_bird.html
http://whale.to/b/phoenix_s.html
Something was terribly wrong when I arrived at the Phoenix House in Citra FL, but I couldn’t put my finger on it. I was detoxing off opiates and benzodiazepines. I sat in detox for 16 days waiting to find a rehab. Idk why it took so long (I say sarcastically) as I had a decent BCBS HMO at the time. I was growing impatient and restless in the detox facility (meridian Gainesville FL). I didn’t want to check myself out even though I could any Time I wanted. I wanted to get better. I wanted to get off opiates.
A lady came in one day and she told me about The Phoenix House. I had heard of it before so that was good! My pastor (SG) had mentioned the Phoenix House to me 2-3 different times. My pastor was the first person I confided to that I had a prescription drug problem. He mentioned PH that first conversation. He said his close friend David F. Was the director and it sounded like a real good place to go if I was serious about getting sober.
The representative told me about The walking trails and the recording studio. She told me about the pool and the gym and the horse therapy. After she got done describing the place to me it sounded almost too good to be true. I remember crying because I was out of ideas and out of hope. And here she was with this awesome opportunity/place I could go to. Not only that but my pastor recommended it and his good friend David ran the whole place. I felt lucky and happy to get to go. I mean it had been mentioned before and what a coincidence here’s a rep right in front of me (the mind control works subliminally and subtlety it’s not in your face).
Knowing what my treatment was in detox they decided for me to come the next day.
When I arrived at the Phoenix House I was given a urinalysis. They knew my treatment at detox but when I arrived they acted surprised I had Benzo’s in my system so they immediately sent me to another detox (the vines Ocala) which was mental patients mixed in with the drug addicts. It was 2 days of walking nightmares. People shitting down their leg walking the halls, vomiting at breakfast/lunch/dinner by random detoxing addicts.
A doctor came to see me. dr. Baboo. There was a big language barrier but I communicated “I want out of this fucking place ASAP” meaning no more benzo’s start the taper off the Suboxone... “I want to go to rehab doc”... so after 2-3 days I was released to the Phoenix House ( on my own recognizance I could leave if I wanted to).
Obviously my first encounter didn’t go well; they put me in the nut house for 2-3. For the record I now firmly believe that these places (detox/ICU’s) can help people but I believe I was sent there as a punishment and or as a way to make mentally unstable a little bit at a time.
So I get back to the PH and I’m ready to do what they tell me... I knew not to do what comes naturally to me which is to fight / go against the grain etc...
I met my counselor, a guy who graduated from a correspondence school of some kind. He asked me soooooo many questions. There were pages and pages of documents / “standard questions”. He could type well and was really recording a lot. We were in his office for 3-5 hours doing my intake. He sat there with tobacco dip in his mouth typing away asking me questions. Oddly I do not remember what they were. Asking me about my whole life. Family parents brothers sisters jobs dreams aspirations etc.. . He was in great shape, ripped even. He had a tattoo of a snake wrapping around his arm/forearm. His muscles were the only impressive thing about him. He got fired 1-2 days later for “battery strike or touch” against his GF while at a gas station. This happened the day after I told the head counselor I didn’t want to work with him anymore. Something was just off about him. He got angry with me for finding a stress ball that used to belong to him or something? He acted like a child, I thought he was joking around at first but nope...
After my intake he told me that my problem was grandiosity. He made a point of telling me this.
The first day was very disillusioning. There were no horses for horse therapy (you could see horses but they were about a half mile away) The swimming pool was closed and the gym was also closed for repairs. There were no walking trails but you could walk around the edge of a large field if you wanted to. The recording studio did exist but we could only use it for 30 minutes once a week. When I went to eat I felt very uncomfortable. They served us some kind of meat that had been cut in large chunks and you could see where the hair had once come through the skin/meat of the animal. They said it was cow but I suspect it was horse. It was really really really horribly shitty Cafeteria food.
I did not know until I got there that there would be 200 to 250 department of corrections inmates there as well. They were housed together and were there for 6-18months each as an alternative to a harsher scenario. I was part of a small group called the private pay group which was reserved for people who were there by choice and had insurance or were paying out of pocket.
Nobody told me about the criminal element or about the large number of them. They got me all prepped for this awesome amazing experience. They lied to me about the facilities and the general vibe/reality of the place. Nothing was as they said and I felt as though I’d been lied to.
The first fellow patient I met had a tattoo of an all seeing eye on top the pyramid in the middle of his back. I told him I was an opiate addict and that I used to be on the first Silk Road as a buyer.. he said loudly and in my face “ sound like a garden-variety dope addict me” there’s nothing special about you. All I could think as I looked him up and down was “I’m more special than you”
They talked me into staying. Mike G, our main counselor, (who was actually just a technician who was in school) played a big role taking me aside to talk to me and bring up arguments on why I should stay.
So I did what they suggested. I stayed. Every morning Mike G would say to us “ohhhh you guys I was hanging with my best friend Troy (or ) his best friend Jamie. He regaled us with stories about Alcoholics Anonymous and how that simple program could save each one of us if I could “just get on board with having another person run my life” for me. You see it was literally said to me “Once you understand that that door knob will do a better job running your life than you you are on the right track”. We were to give ourselves a vote of no confidence. It was my doing that ended with me being an addict. I was the one in rehab feeling like the I was at the last house on the block.
It went on like that day after day. Mike even told us that when you wake up, right after you wake up that is the best time to subliminally message yourself as your brain is in a meditative state from sleeping. It was in the mornings right after we had broken up that he would talk to us in a soft voice, mind control shit. He hit us utilizing several different soft mind control techniques. Repetition, a cool temperate soothing yet confident voice. “I’m so happy you guys and I want you to be happy like I am”. The message was “get a sponsor, let him run your life for a little while until you can take the reigns again”
I went along with all of it. I shared intimate things I had done and had done to me. One patient claimed he had burnt down an old historic Freemason Lodge in Live Oak Florida. We had no internet so there was no fact checking. It was a lie that was told to get people like me talking.
I had no idea that there were SS Freemasons around me in the rehab. They were there as actual patients and I became “friends” with them.
It was Mike G who had the knowledge I wanted. I wanted the peace and confidence he had.
Every day something weird happened. Something to test my treatment, to test my reactions to things. Food stolen, clothes taken/gone through.
The Indian doctor from the detox facility was also the doctor at the Phoenix House. He put me on Zoloft and Wellbutrin. I spoke with him in depth about my upset stomach/opiate detox stuff and very clearly told him “please do not off label prescribe me something for my stomach I want to address it directly” ... he put me on more psychological meds stating the side effects can be constipation” (I didn’t know this until weeks later when I left and had internet to look stuff up)
Any chance my SS friends would get they would remind me “you’re not that special”.. there were 4-5 That I know of but perhaps more were in there with me.
I saw 3 of them leaving David’s office one day and they were smiling and laughing.. they seemed chummy like old friends with inside jokes. I asked what they were doing but I was blown off and got reminded I don’t know what’s going on and I’m not special etc etc...
At the Phoenix House We were supposed to be learning Cognitive behavior therapy or CBT for short. That was supposed to be the foundation on which we built our game plan. But instead we got fed AA hard core every morning day after day. We did the CBT therapy with Yonner, a very nice counselor who I thought made a lot of sense.
Eventually I bought in. I hadn’t drank alcohol in 4-5 years but I was convinced Anybody can recover from anything with Alcoholics Anonymous AND A SPONSOR. I actually still believe AA works great. It’s the people who have perverted it for their own purposes.
I talk a lot. And I talked a lot in rehab. I don’t know what I said but I’ve always been a conspiracy theorist. I’ve just always had my eyes and ears open to that stuff since reading The Biggest Secret back in 1998 or 1999.
Any weird vibes I got in rehab were dismissed by me. I did not think people would or could organize in such a way as to target others and I thought everybody in there was there for the same reason I was which was to get better.
When it came time for me to leave they wanted me to move to Ocala FL ( I grew up in Gainesville the next town over). There is a halfway house there run by a wealthy business man in Ocala named Larry. I pretty much refused to go to Ocala. I know the town well and I didn’t think it would be a good place to make a living/enjoy life. I’ve always been big into clubbing and good sound systems. I DJ’d for 15+ years. I remember telling Mike G “there are no clubs there there’s no sound systems in the whole city. Even the drugs in Ocala suck, and the ladies there suck”... in my mind I would go anywhere they told me. Just not there. I always had a weird feeling about that city. I never liked it. I never stop to think about why I just always hated Ocala.
What I now know is that it was VITAL I move there. Mike spent hours on me. Telling me how “I can tell you are about to help a lot of people if you choose to goto Ocala”... What he was saying is other people in rehab we’re going to make the same decision once they saw I made it. I remember saying over and over to him I just really don’t like that town I will move anywhere else in the country just not there. He even got mad at me. Constantly reminding me that I can’t make good decisions and that I needed to not be so grandiose. Who was I that I was too good for Ocala? “If you can get sober and stay sober in Ocala you can get sober and stay sober anywhere”.. finally I gave in. It was the person I looked up to you the most at the treatment center who coerced me and coaxed me in to going to Ocala.
After treatment Mike told me he had to wait two years until him and I could hang out together like be in a car together or go grab coffee. It was a few weeks after he told me that that I saw him breaking this role with other people who had been in treatment with me.
I tried. I tried really hard and I gave it my best shot. But I couldn’t find any real friends. Mike’s best friends who he looked up to so much were there in Ocala. They told me I needed to open up more. To tell people more personal stuff about myself and that’s how I would get closer friendships. I made a few loose friends. A girl who I became quite Platonically close to. A few others from rehab. The odd thing was they would Randomly tell me “you’re not that special” .. I didn’t think anything of it because I thought they were incorporating AA in with what they were saying... “ you’re not special” is not an Aa thing. It was a me thing. They didn’t say it to anybody else certainly not to themselves. This fact was lost on me until just A few months ago.
I don’t know when the phone hacking and group stalking started but I know some of the signs looking back on it.
I got a new phone after rehab. My SS all seeing eye tattoo Friend gave me a ride to Walmart and sat there with me while I set it up on Walmart’s (unsecured gang stalked) WiFi. I was probably connected to his hotspot and didn’t know it.
I had a girl get slowly dangled in front of me and I lowered my standards to date her. She was cute-ish but I really dug her personality. She reminded me of a sadistic Pam from The Office. I was her Jim I guess.
After we started dating things changed. She talked about gang stalking often. I’d never heard of it. The cleaning lady at the call center we worked at made comments about people watching from the tree’s / roof tops. Of course I wrote her off as crazy (she acted kinda crazy so whatever).. “have you ever heard of it, gang stalking??” Jessica would say to me. I did not pay her much mind.
When I was in the shower at our house I caught her ex boyfriend sneaking around in the side yard talking to her through a window. There was another time he was spying on me in the laundry room from outside. She told me he had black mailed her. Had her do something gross, video taped it,.. and threatened to release it.. Jessica lied one evening and said “I love you” to me.:: I could feel the lie and I could hear the lie. But I wanted to believe it so I foolishly went Along. . Jessica’s BF moved out of her house and I moved in. Soon after we got together she quit her job making 12/hr 40hrs a week. I was supporting both of us and she was laying around ”depressed”. The weird shit went on with her Ex creeping around and she started going out (presumably to Cheat on me). Eventually one day I demanded to look at her cell phone (we had an open cell phone policy due to crappy previous relationships). She absolutely freaked out and acted guilty as all hell, so that was the end of that”. We were living together and not dating.
Anytime I needed advice I would goto my sponsor. He was supposed to help me get sober but like everybody else I went to my sponsor for all sorts of advice. This was a huge mistake.
One day before she turned into a gross lazy bum, jessica and I were talking and I told her “I have a feeling that I’m going to find a job working with large amounts of people and traveling some how” I also mentioned how I really wanted to goto Detroit and check it out (I love techno). She made a big deal about national pizza day, and pointed out all the celebs who posted about pizza.
One day I was at the Burger King next to our house and a man walked in while I was getting my soda. He took 2-3 close up pics of me with his cell phone. I reacted by saying “yo dude what’s up” He told me he was a police officer and I fit the description of somebody they were looking for. I remembered it ruffled my feathers but I didn’t do anything other than talk to Jessica about it. It Seemed unprofessional
I believe Jessica was video taping me constantly but I have no idea for sure. When you are gang stalked they constantly either record or stream you... that or they want you to believe that’s what’s happening. It’s to mess with your head. I was unaware of anything like that going on at that time There were times when she spoke to me so strangely “do you love pizza? She would make me Say ‘I love pizza’ “ ....that made no sense at the time Her ex didn’t make sense he still had power over her... anyways, I left and moved in with my all seeing eye friend.
It’s worth mentioning because I couldn’t handle Jessica drinking behind my back/ talking to guys I didn’t know... I ended up relapsing while dating her. It was bad, shooting coke and heroin. I curled up in a ball one night having what I think was a hEart attack.I knew I didn’t want to go out like that. Not at all and it scared she shit out of me.
I lost my job at the call center, had used and was living with Jessica broken up.
That’s when I found the petition job. Somebody (an SS friend who was suuuiper buddy buddy with Mike G and the others) suggested to me that I may do well at it. So I took his suggestion and tried my luck at signature gathering. I was really good at it and it paid quite well. I saved up money and bought a car, by the time the campaigns in FL ended I had some money saved up, I was sober and single.
The person I worked for invited me to a job that I now know I wasn’t supposed To succeed at. I was being set up to fail. Believe it or not, I was asked to travel to Detroit!! I was to collect signatures on petitions (awesome right!) In the dead of winter. I drove up to Michigan in the winter... knowing What I know now about the petition business and everything? Nobody does that nobody goes and works Michigan in the dead of winter. But me being me I made the best of it. I slept in our office, showered at planet fitness.. eventually the signatures went up in price (when the other pro’s came to work) and I got some additional local jobs (in Ann Arbor I worked a Petiton to save a local corner lot by putting in a public park instead of a sky rise)
My coordinator was setting me up to fail. He was taking money from me, wearing my clothes, eating my food... he stiffed me for $2300.00 (which was 6-9 days of work) at the end of the campaign.
Jessica was the one who implanted the idea of gang stalking into my head. My coordinator Josh was tasked with gaslighting me about trump, Qanon and the petition business as a whole.
I cannot explain how or why... but it was all a set up. The girl was systematically brought closer and closer to me at the call center, my sponsor gave me the horrible advice to move in with her while at the same time saying “something isn’t right”.... I worked a job in Baltimore and Ohio for other coordinators doing other Peritions then came back to Ocala to be near recovery and my friends.
I was in a meeting and mentioned “I would like to be more sexually open”. I’ve always been reserved sexually and I was just having a moment of honesty with some friends in AA. I went on a Plenty of Fish date, hooked up with this girl for about a week, and contracted trichinosis. I got that cleared up just in time foe Kathi and Matt to hit me up on FB. They ( what a coincidence) wanted to see if I would come sleep with Kathi while Matt (her husband) watched. I slept on it and said “sure what the hell I just said I wanted to be more open”. Of course I thought I said this in a private meeting Nobody would betray my anonymity especially not in a place like alcoholics anonymous and certainly not in a city at sacred As Ocala when it comes to recovery.
I knew Matt from 10-15 years earlier. Kat, his wife I knew loosely as well. She did chaturbate cam model masturabation/sex with her husband on there it’s worth mentioning . I knew Matt because I happened to date his ex girlfriend; Something Matt never forgave me for. He pretended to be cool with me but something was off with him. He was high on dope or meth alll the time and was ordering stuff off the DN..
So there I was, really Fing the hell out of his wife. It was so weird. He pretended to enjoy it and told Kat it was what he wanted. I was obviously Emasculating him unintentionally and he was obviously loosing her right in front of his eyes. Or so I thought.
I was led to believe Matt was horribly abusive and saw many tangible signs. I told them I could only do the deed a few times and I couldn’t hang after that. I know myself and I knew I would start getting attached/catching feelings. I told them this very plainly and clearly.
Her and I were talking on the phone quite regularly so it didn’t take long for me to talk with him on the phone and tell him that I was done and I could not do It anymore. He got upset and was very insistent. This man literally insisted that I continue to come over there and bang his wife. They turned me onto App Snitch for Android and a few other apps. I didn’t know it at the time But they were both extensive computer hackers. They had their laptop set up as a Wi-Fi repeateFake hotspot. They ordered stuff off the DN on the regular. He dozed her with some strong benzo type substance one evening and the next day I told her “ I am 100% done I cannot hang around him or you and watch him do these things anymore”
I told her if she wanted help I would help her get away and I even committed to six months but I didn’t pressure her at all.
She left him and came with me to Saint Pete Florida where I was living working Petitions. She started working with me. As soon as she moved in weird things started happening. My roommate started asking questions about her Wi-Fi router. She was always on her phone but insisted she was not talking to anybody even though I suggested she get in touch with friends etc. because I’m not a controlling person.
This is officially when I noticed the gang stalking for the first time. It started with my phone.
All of a sudden the screen cast would come on out of nowhere. I did not know anything about cell phones or operating systems but I was raised around computers ... so every step of the way I’ve had to research my ass off which is not easy when you’re dealing with this subject and trying to work 50 hours a week. I noticed people driving by our house really slow and I recognize their faces as people she was friends with on Facebook or so I thought. My roommate also took note of the weirdness with the people and the wifi etc... It became obvious to me Kathy was still talking to somebody and when I busted her she admitted she had been talking to Matt which I understood and told her it was weird to lie to me about it.
While this is going on I had mutual friends inviting us to shows, camp outs and all this other stuff but I could tell it was directed at her and not me so it made me feel uncomfortable.
One day after days of research I came to realize she was channeling all the data from my phone to her phone using Bluetooth Wi-Fi hotspot somehow. She had been lying to me about talking to Matt and I caught her flirting with a young young boy or so I thought ( the kid was 16-17 maybe) I didn’t think anybody would go into a relationship cheating their ass off from the beginning. Things got weirder. She would always be looking around as if she were looking for specific people. Sometimes when driving she would start talking loud and intentionally as though we were being recorded. After the weird spy shit with her phone, the hiding talking to guys (I thought it was Matt) and acting as though we were being recorded.... for the longest time I thought she wanted me to believe we were being monitored and recorded. I thought she was gaslighting me to make me believe somebody was listening in to our conversations...
I got upset about the spying shit and literally snapped her phone in two. It caught fire instantly. I burnt and cut my hand. It was when I broke her phone In two that I realized, she was communicating with more than one person. She got sooooooo depressed with the loss of her phone. I mean she wasn’t even mad she was naturally sad and depressed as all hell. It was obvious I had taken something from her. She stopped keeping up her appearance as much. It was as if she didn’t have an audience any longer.
While working people would often take pics of me / us because We were working Petitions to legalize marijuana and people get really excited about that. For the next few months I didn’t really think anything was out of the ordinary. I thought she had been talking with her husband and she was getting acquainted with the new situation as best she could. I kept having unexplainable phone issues. But she was always there telling me I was wrong or being paranoid.
I started watching her more closely. And what I noticed and saw was very strange and unbelievable. She was constantly making hand gestures or hand signals to people who I thought were complete strangers. I came to the conclusion that she was in some kind of swinger sex club of some kind. People would approach her and it was obvious they knew each other. They were sometimes I swear either she passed somebody a note or somebody passed a note to her but I wasn’t sure. She went across the street to a publix while we were working one day. She didn’t come back for a hour saying she got lost in the parking garage.
Things got worse and worse. I kept noticing people driving by at weird times, on her google drive I found weird skins for apps so you can make Snapchat logo look like google translate or tinder look like reddit..
She left work one day and was gone for hours. It was months later I saw her google history doing translations from english to Spanish. “I miss you” and “I love you”.. but this wasn’t to Matt... around that same time she expressed an interest in learning Spanish and I often heard Spanish music playing outside our Airbnb’s.
Speaking of Airbnb’s, we moved out of my friends house because she was uncomfortable with Kathi ... now I know my roommate knew 100% what was going on which explains the whispering conversations she had with Kathi and how she knew ahead of time what was going on. When we moved out of my friends in st Pete, a day or two before was the first time I had ever been followed. They followed us leaving the house and started pointing they cell phones at us. I thought it was people that she knew. You can do things like turn your location settings on with Snapchat and Facebook. I did not know how but it was obvious I had something to do with the cell phones and it was obvious we were being followed they wanted us to know it was done very overtly.
Of course Kat told me I was crazy and she wasn’t doing anything wrong.
The whole time I kept calling my Old sponsor or one of my SS friends. I actually took their advice.
For a long time I could not figure out if Kat was doing these things because she had to or she was obligated to or if she was doing them because she wanted to. I put a key logger on my phone and caught her trying to route the phone as well as turning developer options on. I believe they may have used a Sim card hack or virtual Sim card to hack my phone because the key logger showed my Sim card being removed as well.
I was in the process of dumping her and was preparing to go to California to work. We got an a huge fight and I drove to Ocala. I know that I Should have left her. I don’t know why but I sought the advice from my old sponsor again. He gave me horrible advice but he told me what I wanted to hear I guess. I kept looking at her as a victim not as a perpetrator.
I’ve left out a bunch. I bought her an iPhone which became jailbroken. She had a virtual operating system or a partitioned HD I don’t know but she was hiding Snapchat from me, she was using Poshmark as a dating app.. she had 2-3 Facebook accounts but always only had access to one. I unlocked her account for her and a few days later I couldn’t even find with my FB account. There was always weird stuff going ok with the phones and WiFi network. We were definitely 100% being followed around in st Pete so I moved us inland for a few weeks.
During this time someone Matt and Kathi (or Mathi for short) knew and was close with killed themselves. It was Matt’s close friend and he was a conspiracy theorist who worked for the Eustis Police dept and saw how corrupt they were. He worked IT... It was shortly after I called Matt asking him about the people following us around. I told him his wife knew who they were and I think she had slept with a few of them. Matt said “Kathi would never do that” and that was it. LOL... pffft I believe their friend Troy was a targeted individual. He was a conspiracy theorist and he worked IT for the Eustis Police Department. He shot himself in the head on a park bench. A few months after his death, after seeing what it did to Kathi.. I said “I think Troy may have been in love with you” she replied “I know he was”..
Everything up to this point could be explained by various explanations/excuses like snap chat geo locating, odd behavior or paranoia on my part. But then there was the people following us around hell bent on capturing us with their cell phone cameras. I even thought it might be a game people play with each other like a game swingers play or something.
It wasn’t And it was or is.
They call it The Games or The Game.
When I took Kathi out west that’s when shit Got horrible. We were followed up to North Carolina and they continued to follow us the entire way to LasVegas. In Vegas they were everywhere. It was in Las Vegas I learned for certain of the malicious Bluetooth / WiFi attacks. It was in Las Vegas she slipped and said something about a sex ritual. It was in Las Vegas that she slept with I don’t even know who/what... but I realized she was having sex with other people and pretending to be on her period after so I wouldn’t get near her brutalized personal areas.
She routinely had a Bluetooth device inside of her. I could hear it vibrate from time to time. She had portable batteries that were actually hidden cameras. I threw them all out.
There was always Bluetooth connections happening with my phone I could see it in The bug reports. Large amounts of data would leave my phone. Turning airplane mode on and off made the phone freak out/do weird things.
I bought a hidden camera detector and actually found a fair amount of hidden cameras especially out West. Many hotels have hidden cameras in them especially in Nevada and California.
These people are spying on others using their cell phones and using technology that most people don’t have. This is neighbor spying on neighbor has been spying on Wife. They always had sandbox processes running on top of Waze GPS and my screen mirror was always coming on.
Things went on like this for some time. I don’t even know how many cell phones I went through why did it hurt I think it was around four or five of my own and she went through two or three.
All of this stuff is connected. Kathi was FB friends with some of the people in Ocala I knew from recovery. This one guy in particular I went to for help early on before I knew anything. He ignored me and did nothing to help me. He could’ve told me in five minutes what it took me a year to figure out. That I was dating a group stalking narcissistic sex addict / computer hacker secret society slave or willing participant.
There was a Device installed in our car intergraded with the gps/ LoJack. There were moments I questioned my own sanity as that’s what this was designed to do.
Group stalking is fucking real. It’s a systematic targeting that goes on in such a way to make the target look crazy. It’s systematic ritualistic like abuse. No one person does any real harm. But I’m telling you, in one day If you had 50 to 100 people purposely raise their phones to videotape you without explanation that alone would be very unnerving trust me.
You have to understand I was completely in love with this girl and I did trust her. For a long time I could not figure out if she was being made to do the things she was doing or if she was doing them willingly.
My story gets much worse and quite frankly unbelievable.
The 5-8 “friends” in Ocala (including Mike the counselor) who I loved and trusted... they all stopped talking to me at the exact same time. None of them has given me a reason they just all black balled me. I I never did anything hurtful to anybody in recovery and the way they turned their back on me really hurt like it was meant to.
It took me a longtime to figure out everybody I was working with doing petitions was SS. I was working for the head guy who oversees all of it. He treated me rather well financially speaking. I believe he is in the illuminati and everybody else running around the USA collecting signs are freemasons for the most part.
It was only just a month or two ago I saw everything if that makes sense .. i understood everything.
I feel like I was raised to be secret society fodder. Like I was raised to be a whipping post, to be used, to turn the other cheek.
I was raised Christian and I still believe in God. They do too. It’s why they spy on everybody and try to control literally everything and everybody.
In the end the message was clear. “Have you thought about joining? Have you thought about joining? Have you thought about joining?”
I’m a person of influence. I have a high IQ, I’m funny and I get Along With people when I want to. I used to have a very positive outlook but recently not so much.
I’ve left out many many details. Like an AA friend admitting to being in the SS and admitting they’ve been fucking with me... or the times I thought they were about to murder me.
It took me driving from California the whole way back to Florida with no stereo and no phone on thinking about my entire life to see the truth.
My pastor , my friends, my uncle (he admitted he works for Department of homeland security and knows what gang stalking is). I even suspect my own father was tasked with “raising a Christian family” for to balance out society the way the SS wants it. He left my mom for his side piece the moment I had moved out (he filled his obligation). My sister was still there but being adopted it probably didn’t count.
He has believed everything I’ve said and is bending over backwards to help me right now. Something he’s never done.
There is so much more like my pastor using a jailbroken iPhone.. he also told me we wouldAbsolutely get in touch with somebody from the FBI regarding what happened to me only to backtrack it later. All my Pastor has done is pacify mean and as soon as I started sniffing around the Phoenix house and started talking about psychological operations everybody wants to say I’m absolutely crazy.
I was put in some kind of mind control behavior modification program. It’s part of Michael Aquino’s mind war. He had operation Phoenix is Vietnam and he had The Phoenix Houses in the USA. They’re multi purpose facilities. After all this is a quote from the link below. :
“Phoenix House Academy was designated a “model program” by the U.S. Department of Justice.” :... say whaaaat??
https://www.phoenixhouse.org/our-history/
Phoenix symbol is operation Phoenix is Phoenix House is Phoenixfreemasonry is NWO....
In California they committed me to a mental institution for telling them about Kathi and what she did. All I mentioned was phone hacking and group stalking. I told them I was fine and not a harm To myself or anybody else.. that’s all I said and they fucking Tranquilized me at an advent health hospital in Willits California.
When I got back to FL I tried talking to an ER nurse and an er doctor about what happened. Everything was fine until the doctor went off his shift. The next doctor immediately sent me to another mental institution , livestreams in clermont fl.
My uncle was the head anesthesiologist at Shands now he spies on fellow Americans. My uncle may be the one who put me in this program/whatever it is.
THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO SAY IM DELUSIONAL ARE SECRET SOCIETY SCUM.
I’ve had police officers, lawyers, friends and relatives all tell me in some way shape or form they know I’m Telling the truth and there is nothing wrong with me. They are part of this SS system. It’s Definitely absolutely integrated with the US government. Just recently when I left California I had a federal agent park next to my car and book the hotel room next to mine. When I travel I always have people in the rooms next to me I believe they spy on me with listening devices and maybe a hidden camera or two.
Why am I targeted? I do not know. I do know in the last three years I have spoken with thousands upon thousands upon thousands of fellow citizens and I can safely say I am more special than almost every single one of them. I’m gifted and special and people are drawn to me when I talk. I was in the 110% Percentile growing up and I always do very well At what’s ever I put my mind to.
Why would the SS want so badly for ME to think I’m not special?? All it’s done is made me realize how absolutely amazing and gifted I am. I’ve made it through this and I figured much of it out on my own.
I love all of you even the perps who are about to leave perp-SS comments. :)
MERRY CHRISTMAS.